Rumor: Isles/Avs Talking Trade? (Duchene)

[Trapper]

That won't happen either. Have you seen the Avs lines these past two games? They can't afford to lose anyone until Greer/Compher show they are ready to take a spot in the line up. Well we can afford to lose Iggy but he won't waive for a while yet.

So there really is no fit here.
Both teams need offense.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

So there really is no fit here.
Both teams need offense.

Yes.

 

[strictlyrandy]

So if Wiercioch is re-signed and is not exposed, exactly who are the Avs going to expose on defense? I'll hang up and listen for your response on that issue.

Has Butcher been signed by the Avs? It certainly does not appear that he factors into Colorado's plans.

I will say that I have likely followed the Avs and been on these boards for far longer than you have. If you can imagine reading my posts in a snarky, condescending manner, that would be my intention.

Butcher has been in the Avs plans if you pay any attention to what comes out of the Avs. He's nit signed because of his commitment to DU. The Avs contradict you there.

It doesn't matter who the Avs expose on D. It only matters who they protect. The rules don't dictate how many D have to be exposed. Figured you would know that with your vast knowledge.

As far as your very clearly implied condescending tone, I don't give a damn how long you've been on these boards or how long you've been a fan. You clearly have no idea what you're talking about.

I've been a fan since they moved from Quebec, doesn't mean jack. What matters is knowing what you're talking about. I do the research on the team whereas you clearly don't.

 

[Murzu]

Well considering we have the same needs, I don't think there's a trade between us.

I think so too. Goalie swap is only logical thing and some NYI fans weren't fond of the idea of adding something to Halak to obtain Varlamov.

 

[ThatGuy22]

Here is Sportsnet's Top 20 goalies "by the numbers"

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/ranking-top-20-goaltenders-nhl-numbers/

They have Varly at #3.

As you said, it's subjective, but saying Varly isn't a top 10 goalie is no more arguable than saying he is. The fans on this website voted him as the #10 goalie a little over a week ago and that poll only had two Avalanche fans vote in it (I was one of them lol). The fans on this site aren't the answer to all the NHL's questions and are often very heavily out of whack with opinions but I'm just using it as another example as you did with your NHL Network list.

There's no real answer is Varlamov is a top 10 goalie or not but you will find as many people who say he's in that 10 range as who will say he isn't.

Dubnyk has virtually identical numbers and accolades as Varlamov, and didn't make that guy's top 20. I'd take that ranking with a pretty big grain of salt...

 

[strictlyrandy]

Someone to play wing with Tavares would seem the more likely target.

Considering the only viable top 6 wings we have are Landeskog and arguably Rantanen (he's gonna be very good)...

Comeau maybe? Avs lack offensive depth. If the Islanders want a top 6 wing, they're barking up the wrong tree.

 

[Balthazar]

Varly + Barrie for Hamonic + Halak + ???

 

[seabass45]

Is the center position a weakness fore the Isles? I thought they were pretty set at center.

Eh. It could be worse but I'd imagine Garth wouldn't oppose having a 1A/1B situation at center, kinda like Crosby/Malkin but not nearly as good. He tried to get Stamkos for that reason.

Also if Duchene is a target then obviously Barzal has to be made available.

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

Comeau maybe?

First time was quite enough lol. Good for him (and surprising) that he's had an NHL career that's lasted this long

 

[ManofSteel55]

I would think that trading Duchene would only make sense if it helped to significantly improve Colorado's blueline, and I don't think this makes any sense. And I don't see the Islanders moving the type of player that it would take to get Duchene. Unless of course the Aves are thinking of tearing it down, but that also wouldn't make sense to me. Curious rumor.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Dubnyk has virtually identical numbers and accolades as Varlamov, and didn't make that guy's top 20. I'd take that ranking with a pretty big grain of salt...

Again, the purpose of me posting that wasn't to say that Varlamov is the 3rd best goalie in the NHL. He isn't close to that. I was just showing how lists are all over the place.

As per Dubnyk having virtually identical numbers, how did you come to that conclusion? The numbers used in that article are about goalies and how they perform when actually being challenged. It takes things like the quality of shots into consideration. It's not a list of stats like wins and other team related things that people often use to judge goalies.

 

[Kevin27NYI]

Really don't see how Halak for Varlamov improves the team, you're kind of betting on both to do better with a change of scenery and even then, why are we adding a first?

I even think Varlamov is better, but saying that there is no way the difference is a first, especially since that is looking like a high pick now. After adding in contracts the difference gets smaller too.

And don't tell me that this won't be a bottom ten team with Varly, forwards are still ass as is and that trade does nothing on that front.

Also, even if we did it straight up we still have the three headed goalie problem. Garth is pissing me off with that one.

 

[strictlyrandy]

Look at who Avs are likely to protect..

Duchene
Landy
MacK
Grigs/Comeau/Soderberg (hardest choice for forwards and it's meh)

EJ
Barrie
Zadorov
Beauchemin (if he doesn't waive)

Varly/Picks is the toughest choice.

The rest are easy. There's nobody else they have to protect on D. The forward group is meh outside of the big 3.

At most they lose one player so it's really not as if they're gonna be hurting.

 

[Balthazar]

Look at who Avs are likely to protect..

Duchene
Landy
MacK
Grigs/Comeau/Soderberg (hardest choice for forwards and it's meh)

EJ
Barrie
Zadorov
Beauchemin (if he doesn't waive)

Varly/Picks is the toughest choice.

So Varly or Soderberg.

 

[22FUTON9]

Duchene on JTs wing could possibly create one of the best duos in the league but I doubt we're looking to trade him. Especially now with Bednar, duchene pretty much has been his best player this season.

Now we have this Barrie guy if you guys wanna talk...

 

[Pure Slaughter Value]

I would think that trading Duchene would only make sense if it helped to significantly improve Colorado's blueline, and I don't think this makes any sense. And I don't see the Islanders moving the type of player that it would take to get Duchene. Unless of course the Aves are thinking of tearing it down, but that also wouldn't make sense to me. Curious rumor.

Personally think the Isles would overpay and de Haan/Nelson/1st or a good prospect would be overpaying.

de Haan instantly becomes a #2 or strong #3 defenseman on the avs (at the worst, an excellent #4), Nelson is a 25 goal-scoring winger and a pick (or prospect...not sure who).

NOT saying another team can't beat that offer but I think the value and need is there for both teams.

 

[tucker3434]

The Avs biggest problems so far this year have been 1)getting shots on net, 2)shooting percentage, and 3)goaltending to a lesser degree.

We aren't getting outshot by the truckload anymore. SA/G is actually in the top half of the league. So trading away any of the guys that put the puck on net often or have historically high shooting percentages wouldn't make a whole lot of sense right now.

 

[Avs71]

The Avs have three legit top 6 forwards. They aren't trading one. Let alone trading the best of those three.

Duchene is the Colorado Avalanche offense.

 

[Ivan13]

Just a little change of scenery might do good.

Duchene doesn't need a change of scenery. He is the only forward on the Avs producing consistently.

 

[Skip To My Lou]

Is Landeskog available? How much more/less of a price is he rather than Duchene?

 

[seafoam]

 

[Avs44]

The way I see this, Staple picked up on the Avs / Isles scouting each other, which fans on this board already did days ago, and is tossing out Duchene as a name of his own speculation. I'm not seeing how much of a rumor this is right now, to be honest. Duchene is the Avs best forward and easily their most creative offense generator - and the team desperately needs offense (going into last nights game they were the lowest scoring club in the league). I'm not sure I'm seeing a fit here, unless the Avs are basically contemplating a complete re-tool.

 

[Avs71]

What about Soderberg?

50 point center the Avs might have to expose, and could use a change of scenery under Bednar.

 

[Avs44]

Is Landeskog available? How much more/less of a price is he rather than Duchene?

No, he's not available. The Avs have an abysmal offense, and Landeskog, Duchene, and MacKinnon are their only three top six forwards. As I just said above, going into last night this was the league's lowest scoring offence. Landeskog is the captain and easily the best two way forward on club. After losing both ROR and Staz, and never really replacing the two way play they brought, he's more important than ever.

 

[Ivan13]

Is Landeskog available? How much more/less of a price is he rather than Duchene?

No. The same.

If those are the best pieces available, tough luck getting Duchene.