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Is Kirby Dach ready to be the #1 centre next season?

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Interesting how Joker was done developing at age 19 according to some here but the bust that has been Dach needs more time

At this point he is a 3rd line winger going forward

LOL at the idea of him being our #1C
 
Blackhawkswincup said:
Interesting how Joker was done developing at age 19 according to some here but the bust that has been Dach needs more time

At this point he is a 3rd line winger going forward

LOL at the idea of him being our #1C
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Sure seems like he stopped developing to me...
 
Blackhawkswincup said:
Interesting how Joker was done developing at age 19 according to some here but the bust that has been Dach needs more time

At this point he is a 3rd line winger going forward

LOL at the idea of him being our #1C
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I thought that was more in regards to his physical development which was believed would impact other sides of his game. Solid defender lately, but more of a 5 on a good team than a 4 I think, he’s still on the younger side for a dman.
 
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Marotte Marauder said:
Has he ever led a team in scoring?
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Maybe not but he had the best points/game clip on the team his final year in saskatoon, while only trailing the leader by 2 points. I think we can agree thats at least equivalent offensive impact to leading the team in scoring. Unless you meant goal scoring which I mean Kirby has never been the player to lead his team in goals nor was he ever believed to be.
 
I cannot help but feel myself being drawn into the "he's looking like a bust" group.

He has not had any luck, injury, bad team, bad coaching, is Toews a good role model? Are others?

But all that aside he is 21 and was drafted 3rd OA. I haven't seen much from him to make me think he can turn this around.

Boy looks lost. Did anyone expect this? Seriously, I am willing to be more patient as we are horrible anyway but I think its fair to say we all hoped for much more.
 
Dach is what happens when you take a guy 3rd overall, in a draft where there wasn't a strong consensus for the picks after 2nd overall and then shoehorn him into your lineup immediately after his draft. The kid had absolutely no chance to build any confidence. He had a good -- not dominant -- draft year and then went straight to the NHL on a bad team, just to play 11-12 minutes in the bottom-6 every game for the first 30 games of his career. His development was handled so incredibly poorly and this team was so lucky to be in a position to draft that high.

Dach should have been back in Junior the past 2 seasons. This season right now should have been his rookie year. Instead he spent his rookie season mostly not producing and getting dummied around most games. Then suffered a terrible broken wrist before training camp the following year, losing basically an entire year of development. Now you have a player who's 3 years removed from remembering what it's like to be an important, minute-eating, highly productive player. It's a shame.

I don't think he's a bust at all yet. But he should be sent down to the AHL to get some scoring confidence back. And I don't mean for a 5-10 game stint. They honestly should have started him down there this season. Mitchell is a better player for having spent so much time down there this season after being up most of last year and he wasn't 20-years-old to begin this season.

I'm sure Dach will eventually be traded before catching on somewhere and turning into a really solid 2nd line forward for a team by his 23-year-old season.
 
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TheFridge said:
Dach is what happens when you take a guy 3rd overall, in a draft where there wasn't a strong consensus for the picks after 2nd overall and then shoehorn him into your lineup immediately after his draft. The kid had absolutely no chance to build any confidence. He had a good -- not dominant -- draft year and then went straight to the NHL on a bad team, just to play 11-12 minutes in the bottom-6 every game for the first 30 games of his career. His development was handled so incredibly poorly and this team was so lucky to be in a position to draft that high.

Dach should have been back in Junior the past 2 seasons. This season right now should have been his rookie year. Instead he spent his rookie season mostly not producing and getting dummied around most games. Then suffered a terrible broken wrist before training camp the following year, losing basically an entire year of development. Now you have a player who's 3 years removed from remembering what it's like to be an important, minute-eating, highly productive player. It's a shame.

I don't think he's a bust at all yet. But he should be sent down to the AHL to get some scoring confidence back. And I don't mean for a 5-10 game stint. They honestly should have started him down there this season. Mitchell is a better player for having spent so much time down there this season after being up most of last year and he wasn't 20-years-old to begin this season.

I'm sure Dach will eventually be traded before catching on somewhere and turning into a really solid 2nd line forward for a team by his 23-year-old season.
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He can't be sent to the AHL without going through waivers.
 
Pez68 said:
Throwing Dach to the wolves against the other team's top competition every night was f***ing clownshoes to begin with. That's NOT how you develop a center in the NHL. He should have been getting favorable matchups and been used in an offensive role. Getting a lot of o-zone draws. Just more evidence this coaching staff absolutely sucks.
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Seemed to work out just fine for Tage Thompson.
 
TheFridge said:
Dach is what happens when you take a guy 3rd overall, in a draft where there wasn't a strong consensus for the picks after 2nd overall and then shoehorn him into your lineup immediately after his draft. The kid had absolutely no chance to build any confidence. He had a good -- not dominant -- draft year and then went straight to the NHL on a bad team, just to play 11-12 minutes in the bottom-6 every game for the first 30 games of his career. His development was handled so incredibly poorly and this team was so lucky to be in a position to draft that high.

Dach should have been back in Junior the past 2 seasons. This season right now should have been his rookie year. Instead he spent his rookie season mostly not producing and getting dummied around most games. Then suffered a terrible broken wrist before training camp the following year, losing basically an entire year of development. Now you have a player who's 3 years removed from remembering what it's like to be an important, minute-eating, highly productive player. It's a shame.

I don't think he's a bust at all yet. But he should be sent down to the AHL to get some scoring confidence back. And I don't mean for a 5-10 game stint. They honestly should have started him down there this season. Mitchell is a better player for having spent so much time down there this season after being up most of last year and he wasn't 20-years-old to begin this season.

I'm sure Dach will eventually be traded before catching on somewhere and turning into a really solid 2nd line forward for a team by his 23-year-old season.
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It was all marketing. They rushed Kirby so they could sell him. Gotta get those ticket sales...
 
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TheFridge said:
Kirby is still on his ELC. He isn’t subject to waivers.
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tonight&#39;s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Blackhawks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#Blackhawks</a> game marks Kirby Dach&#39;s 145th NHL game. His waivers exemption has now come to an end.<a href="Kirby Dach Waivers Calculator Results - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps">Kirby Dach Waivers Calculator Results - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps</a></p>&mdash; CapFriendly (@CapFriendly) <a href="">March 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
 
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<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Tonight&#39;s <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Blackhawks?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc^tfw">#Blackhawks</a> game marks Kirby Dach&#39;s 145th NHL game. His waivers exemption has now come to an end.<a href="Kirby Dach Waivers Calculator Results - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps">Kirby Dach Waivers Calculator Results - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps</a></p>&mdash; CapFriendly (@CapFriendly) <a href="">March 7, 2022</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
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Interesting. Didn’t think there was an GP threshold on an ELC. Even stupider that he was never sent down then.
 
Cold Steel on Ice said:
He needs to put in the work to get better.Also has to realize his natural talent won’t make up for his lack of hustle and compete.
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Are there good examples of guys who didn't realize they need to put in work going on to later put in said work? If he's still struggling to realize he needs to hustle and compete harder at this point, wouldn't that be a pretty good indication he'll never get it?

I'm not saying that's his only problem, just saying the logic is a bit off
 
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RememberTheRoar said:
Are there good examples of guys who didn't realize they need to put in work going on to later put in said work?
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I mean... Strome.

Did you see the interview he did recently? Family life has changed him. He works harder now than he ever has before and he's completely changed his mindset.

Since the start of the calendar year (January 1st 2022) Strome has 34 points in 34 games played. He's playing at a ppg clip. Strome, if he keeps this going next year, is like a 70+ point player.

Elite...some might even say generational.
 
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RememberTheRoar said:
Are there good examples of guys who didn't realize they need to put in work going on to later put in said work? If he's still struggling to realize he needs to hustle and compete harder at this point, wouldn't that be a pretty good indication he'll never get it?

I'm not saying that's his only problem, just saying the logic is a bit off
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Dach used to work hard on the ice. This year not so much but I don't really see any reason he can't get back to hustling and competing harder like he did in his 1st and 2nd seasons. His reaction to being scratched for the first time will be telling.
 
Callidusblackhawk said:
Dach used to work hard on the ice. This year not so much but I don't really see any reason he can't get back to hustling and competing harder like he did in his 1st and 2nd seasons. His reaction to being scratched for the first time will be telling.
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Maybe, I just don’t think guys who naturally have the motor and desire to work hard just suddenly lose it. It’s kind of a thing you have or you don’t have, especially when you’re young and haven’t proven shit in the league.

He should be the hardest working skater on the ice, especially considering he’s not scoring like an elite offensive player.
 
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