Is Keefe really the problem?

[Racer88]

Tre was in a tough spot - but at least he was smart enough to only committ to one year deals on the fix ... You have to remember there wasnt much out there available to sign ... The mess lies on Dubas shoes

Agreed. I well know the mess Dubas left this team

 

[thewave]

Marner leads the team in scoring in the playoffs

I don't believe he is vastly superior. Marner looks slow, zone entries are inferior to WN. Shot, Goals scored etc. He is seen as a 10m player right now and I doubt Marner has a league value of his current pay, maybe just at.

 

[Trapper]

If you’re not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.
Here is the problem:
Do you play like a playoff team or an all-star skills competition team?

 

[Commander Clueless]

Probably not.

But fire him anyway. It's time.

We need big changes.


Give it to Guy, play it out, evaluate position at TDL and offseason.

There's a decent chance this season is a wash. They might come back in November like last season and return to form here and we'll all be happier but....it's hard to shake the feeling that something is deeply wrong with this team.....

 

[cyris]

I don't believe he is vastly superior. Marner looks slow, zone entries are inferior to WN. Shot, Goals scored etc. He is seen as a 10m player right now and I doubt Marner has a league value of his current pay, maybe just at.

Last year in the playoffs
Marner 3G-11A-14P +7 18Hits 10Blocked Shots
Nylander 4G-6A-10P -4 3Hits 2Blocked shots.

The statistics clearly show Marner was pretty much better at both ends of the ice and physically despite being smaller.

Despite a fast start here this season every GM still takes Marner over Nylander if their contracts or cost to acquire don’t factor in.

 

[Antropovsky]

Last year in the playoffs
Marner 3G-11A-14P +7 18Hits 10Blocked Shots
Nylander 4G-6A-10P -4 3Hits 2Blocked shots.

The statistics clearly show Marner was pretty much better at both ends of the ice and physically despite being smaller.

Despite a fast start here this season every GM still takes Marner over Nylander if their contracts or cost to acquire don’t factor in.

A smart GM wouldn't take either at 10+ million.

In the offseason we should have probably sent them both off to the highest bidder. Resigned Oreilly and retooled.

 

[I am Canadian]

Why are Marner and Matthews stapled to each other? Why haven't they tried changing this combo? They've filtered through Jarnkrok, Knies, Bertuzzi over and over.

He needs to seperate Marner and Matthews and try to get some identity on these lines.

Here's my suggestion;

Knies- Matthews - Nylander (speed, skill, two elite shots.

Bertuzzi - Tavares - Marner (slow, grinding line. Get really good at cycling the puck, and have more opportunities in front of the net, where Bertuzzi can play physically.

Third line needs a new player via trade. They have zero identity at the moment.

 

[Arzak]

Why are Marner and Matthews stapled to each other? Why haven't they tried changing this combo? They've filtered through Jarnkrok, Knies, Bertuzzi over and over.

He needs to seperate Marner and Matthews and try to get some identity on these lines.

Here's my suggestion;

Knies- Matthews - Nylander (speed, skill, two elite shots.

Bertuzzi - Tavares - Marner (slow, grinding line. Get really good at cycling the puck, and have more opportunities in front of the net, where Bertuzzi can play physically.

Third line needs a new player via trade. They have zero identity at the moment.

Keefe is a problem not the problem.

You need Marner to collect assists on Matthews's goals.
$11M looking for a raise, but can't be separated from 60 goal scorer?


You can't have Marner on shut down line, despite his reputation he is not Selke winger capable of shutting down anyone.

Not to mention he would never accept that role, collecting secondary assists next to one of the best if not the best goal scorer in the league. That's his sweat spot.

 

[Mugzy97]

In my opinion, yes he is.

Part of it is not his fault, I think they just need a new voice.

 

[Metroid]

I personally blame the main boards on HF for the leafs struggles. Their negativity and hatred and trolling is too powerful and is depleting us of our essence.

 

[BHD]

Outside fan…

He’s a great coach at the AHL level, obviously. At the NHL level, though, he’s either the guy who takes over midseason (like when Babcock was fired) or is the ideal assistant. He was a breath of fresh at first, but it’s clear he’s run his course. So whatever team Treliving puts together is going to underperform with Keefe running things.

 

[ToneDog]

Coaching change in Vancouver has turned them around. Can we get a Tocchet ?

 

[ACC1224]

Have we reached the point where it can be declared that "Keefe has passed all the tests" ?

 

[diceman934]

Keefe is a problem not the problem.

You need Marner to collect assists on Matthews's goals.
$11M looking for a raise, but can't be separated from 60 goal scorer?


You can't have Marner on shut down line, despite his reputation he is not Selke winger capable of shutting down anyone.

Not to mention he would never accept that role, collecting secondary assists next to one of the best if not the best goal scorer in the league. That's his sweat spot.

Best comedic post. Secondary assists....lol
Marner is a fantastic play maker. He will again lead the Leafs in scoring this year. Mathews would not score 60 with Marner.

Have we reached the point where it can be declared that "Keefe has passed all the tests" ?

Long ago....tested and failed

 

[TheTotalPackage]

I'm not going to place the blame solely on him because it's up to the players. But some things just not have changed, even dating back to Babcock who preceded him.

The team looks lazy and unprepared half the time. Defence is still a question mark. There have been no adjustments to the system. The reliance on players who aren't getting the job done (ie. Klingberg) is still a problem.

I get he's a player coach and that the guys love him. I also am affording him a bit more time because of the personnel changes in the offseason, including the GM. But so far it's the same old same old, and things look stale. A coaching change won't necessarily solve all the problems, but usually provides a jolt, and this team might need that in short order.

 

[tmlms13]

After the empty net goal on Saturday and about 50 seconds to go Keefe put out a 4th line shift.

Like I get it's not likely they score 2 goals but come on 50 seconds is an eternity for this offense and he gave up?

 

[1specter]

The statistics clearly show Marner was pretty much better at both ends of the ice and physically despite being smaller.

Physically?

Why Maple Leafs fell short again and what to do with Matthews, Marner

So another disappointing end to a Maple Leafs season comes with huge off-season questions. Justin Bourne looks at exactly why this year's group fell short again, and explores what it should mean for Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, and more.

www.sportsnet.ca

The data shows that Marner gets neutralized the most into a perimeter player come playoffs, and it's not close. He also fades in elimination games (games 5-7) where his production falls off a complete cliff.

 

[MagicalRazor]

Whats the over under on how many more loses before Guy Boucher replaces him?

Honestly He’s not the only problem we are getting 0 help from anyone besides our big 4 and Rielly who's, looked solid.

We’ve had a pretty mediocre start so far , the Oilers kind of start lol but still very underwhelming . We literally have been fighting tooth and nail for wins. We have yet to have 1 dominant performance so far this season even against lower teir teams that we had expected win. We played well Vs Boston even tho the outcome wasn’t even in our favour probably our best game of the year. We got out played by The stars and caps but our goaltending saved the day especially in the caps game , We only had 17 shots on goal vs their 38.

I’m getting to the point where I want to see change , We have been down the keef road before and it’s starting to look like we are going to end up where we did before. I’d like to see some change and I think thats why we hired Guy Boucher , He’s an NHL coach and the fall back guy incase keef gets relieved of his duties. Won’t be long before that becomes a reality if we keep trending downwards

 

[hotpaws]

Have we reached the point where it can be declared that "Keefe has passed all the tests" ?

we might have but we have to wait for stinky 90210 to let us know for sure

 

[Notsince67]

Have we reached the point where it can be declared that "Keefe has passed all the tests" ?

Keefe would make a great diplomat. He has the ability of taking taking the aggression out of men.

 

[Notsince67]

Physically?

Why Maple Leafs fell short again and what to do with Matthews, Marner

So another disappointing end to a Maple Leafs season comes with huge off-season questions. Justin Bourne looks at exactly why this year's group fell short again, and explores what it should mean for Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, and more.

www.sportsnet.ca

The data shows that Marner gets neutralized the most into a perimeter player come playoffs, and it's not close. He also fades in elimination games (games 5-7) where his production falls off a complete cliff.

Matthews and Nylander had more low danger shots than Marner did last playoffs. Not sure what data you are on about.

 

[notDatsyuk]

He's not responsible for the overall makeup of the team - that's primarily on Dubas.

He is responsible for the preparation of the team, the strategy used, the deployment of players, and the in-game adjustments \, all of which he does not seem to do well.

 

[fahad203]

Coaching change in Vancouver has turned them around. Can we get a Tocchet ?

Cassidy won the Stanly Cup, Maurice with Panthers are in the finals. ....Both after changed their coaches

Fun fact:
Not a single coach from any of the Canadian team from bubble except for Keefe
This is after Habs went to the finals, Oilers went to the conference finals


But hey, lets keep the same coach. The coach that lost to the zamboni driver, the coach that lost us to Habs being up 3-1
Because it's been working out so well

Keefe would make a great diplomat. He has the ability of taking taking the aggression out of men.

He really should be deployed to Gaza and Ukraine right now
Nobody can soften up bunch of people like this guy can

 

[1specter]

Matthews and Nylander had more low danger shots than Marner did last playoffs. Not sure what data you are on about.

Read the article

 

[sxvnert]

The roster construction is a far bigger problem than Keefes coaching style.