Is Keefe really the problem?

[Egghead1999]

He is when he loses the draw.

You are right. Did Karmpf be able not to lose the OT when he was on the ice? I am not a Keefe fan (I actually believe coaching this Leafs team is way over his head), but this is an OK move.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

Physically?

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The data shows that Marner gets neutralized the most into a perimeter player come playoffs, and it's not close. He also fades in elimination games (games 5-7) where his production falls off a complete cliff.

Screw the data. Anyone with functioning eyeballs can see he turns into a liability during elimination games.

Of course we aren’t allowed to analyze using our own insights anymore. You’ll just get called biased because some guys pie chart says differently.

 

[diceman934]

Physically?

Why Maple Leafs fell short again and what to do with Matthews, Marner

So another disappointing end to a Maple Leafs season comes with huge off-season questions. Justin Bourne looks at exactly why this year's group fell short again, and explores what it should mean for Auston Matthews, Mitch Marner, and more.

www.sportsnet.ca

The data shows that Marner gets neutralized the most into a perimeter player come playoffs, and it's not close. He also fades in elimination games (games 5-7) where his production falls off a complete cliff.

Nylander pulls the chute going for pucks he is the least physical player in the NHL
Stats on Matner suggests he is far more physical.

 

[IPS]

Just so everyone knows Stickty111's posts tend to age extremely terribly so keep this one handy for some good laughs later.

Nylander pulls the chute going for pucks he is the least physical player in the NHL
Stats on Matner suggests he is far more physical.

The stats?

Watching the playoffs basically tells you Marner's one of the biggest softies in the league. So is Nylander but I don't think he's quite as bad as Marner.

 

[Budz]

Replacing the coach - won’t be a total fix, for all that ails Toronto. The problems run much deeper.

However, Keefe has to go.

 

[KPower]

NO.

Keefe’s best players are playing hard and playing great.

The bottom 6 forwards are useless, outside of Knies. The 4th line should be in the ECHL.

We have 4 NHL defenseman which includes the corps of Giordano.

 

[1specter]

Nylander pulls the chute going for pucks he is the least physical player in the NHL
Stats on Matner suggests he is far more physical.

Nylander can actually drive the net and has done so multiple times, he also scores a lot of slot goals while his board work is far better than Marner's as well. He's bigger and stronger than Marner. The data is right there, Marner gets boxed out in tight checking playoff hockey.

 

[Notsince67]

Read the article

The article is a desperate effort to appear relevant.
Look at shooting percentage. Matthews is 10.20, Marner and Tavares 9.09 and Nylander 8.51.
Marner is looking like a pretty good perimeter player

 

[rumman]

The roster construction is a far bigger problem than Keefes coaching style.

Why they extended Keefe is beyond me. Not a fan of Keefe, but lets face it Toe Blake couldn’t get these guys interested in winning anything other than their respective paycheques

 

[stickty111]

This season is falling apart quick. Keefe might lose his job and he won't really deserve it. He has his faults but not much he can do with a flawed roster.

Replacing the coach - won’t be a total fix, for all that ails Toronto. The problems run much deeper.

However, Keefe has to go.

Keefe should have been replaced some time ago, but it shouldn't be because of this season.

 

[stickty111]

Thats more like it Sheldon. 3 okay lines offensively just by one change, and benching the worst player on the team.

 

[arso40]

Thats more like it Sheldon. 3 okay lines offensively just by one change, and benching the worst player on the team.

Now if you could just waive reeves there and bring up another kid to play say mcmann or Stevees

 

[Leafsfan74]

No. We can always second guess decisions especially as it applies to the lineup, player use of minutes, but he is not the problem. These are grown men. If you don't have enough pride to get it done and sacrifice when it matters that's on them.

 

[stickty111]

Now if you could just waive reeves there and bring up another kid to play say mcmann or Stevees

I could get on board with a Gregor-Kampf-McMann line. That has an identity at least.

 

[Puckstuff]

I think Keefe is a problem.

I watched this YouTube video once on some "leadership" guru who said that what separates military and the corporate world is that people in the corporate world say "you do it" and people in military say "we" will do it.

Keefe routinely throws players under the bus to safe his own ass. There's no "we" with this group. it's a bunch of individuals.

He's done a terrible job integrating new players imo. I'm not a fan of his line combinations and he gets out coached a lot. I just don't think he's that good.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I’m not a keefe fan but he has absolutely nothing to work with on the backend. Awful blue line construction by Treliving.

Treliving added Kli the rest of the defense is Dubas with a little bit of Burke in Mo.

Treliving did not construct this blueline.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Keefe has done a decent job so far with this roster. He can't be faulted for the brutal play of Samsonov or the injuries on the blueline.

 

[notDatsyuk]

Nylander pulls the chute going for pucks he is the least physical player in the NHL
Stats on Matner suggests he is far more physical.

Agreed that he would much rather just steal the puck than hit someone, but he only got hit one fewer times than Matty, so he doesn't shy away from contact the way some people think.

 

[ER89]

Read the article

nah thats asking too much from paul marner

 

[NinjaKick]

I like him

 

[Gabriel426]

It’s hard to say Keefe is not the problem while at the same time, it is Keefe is not the only problem.

I think Keefe or whoever is the new coach must understand that they need to build a system where the players at hand will be at their best while also structuring a system that gives the best chance to win in the playoffs.

The current Leafs should not be a possession focus team as only three forwards can play the possession style game.

They have players that should be creating odd man rushes all the time due to their talents upfront. But they lack players to break the cycle at the back.

 

[Puckstuff]

We need a coach with a calm demeanour who doesn't throw players under the boss to deflect blame like a coward. We need an actual leader.

Someone like Mark Messier would be my ideal target.

 

[Racer88]

Screw the data. Anyone with functioning eyeballs can see he turns into a liability during elimination games.

Of course we aren’t allowed to analyze using our own insights anymore. You’ll just get called biased because some guys pie chart says differently.

This is so true. Some guys need to put the slide rule away and watch the games

 

[darrylsittler27]

Oh the roster is for sure but that's the point. I don't see anyway Keefe wins 2 rounds in the East with this team. That means he is fired anyway. We also can't throw away picks to land O'Reilly , Accari and Schenn at TD. Only a exp, genius coach can win 2 rounds this year and we won't be stocking up like last year. This team needs a serious number 2 dman to play with Reilly just to make a round.Keefe is already screwed. As always defense will be the Leafs Achilles heal.

The roster construction is a far bigger problem than Keefes coaching style.

 

[rocketman588]

I think our offensive and neutral zone systems are fairly difficult to pick up/learn for those who haven't been in them prior/skilled. It's why we have some comically bad busts like Ritchie. I think it takes a little while that's why we usually have bad starts after cycling through players every year

Now Treliving shit the bed by seemingly getting dudes that didn't fit that much like when Dubas did the same with Babs and this year maybe they have even more difficulty matching up with how Keefe wants to play but I think they'll come around.

Besides Burtuzzi. His issue is that he doesn't give a f*** unfortunately.