Is Keefe really the problem?

[Jimmy Firecracker]

The “same record as last year” talk is disingenuous.

 

[Nineteen67]

It was a commentary regarding what a rookie GM has done versus that of a Veteran. Both of which were options for us at the time. I really shouldn't have had to explain this.

Are you trying to justify a bad decision by pointing to other bad decisions? I don’t think that way.
Kyle Dubas was a bad GM with the Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[thinkblue]

Good, willing to try something new after this past segment of games
4th line still a problem.

 

[Egghead1999]

We have seen the same issues with two different coaches - lazy, entitlement, don't start on time, can't play a full 60 minutes, lack of "give a shit", lack of grit (especially come playoffs), etc. It's the players at this point. Good individually; collectively do not work.

You are right. Players can be the problem. However, seeing the canucks this season, a good coach can fix it. Keefe is not that coach. Did you watch the last game? A lot of times, players stopped skating and looked at the puck carrier ("sort of" to find out the next move). No "coactivity"

 

[TMLAM34]

Good, willing to try something new after this past segment of games
4th line still a problem.

So basically what many of us have been trying to say our line up should look like! Thanks for having to get through training camp and 11 regular season games to try something that seems pretty obvious!

 

[alliuk12]

When you can’t coach yes

 

[Leafs87]

Schenn wanted to resign. We said no. Bogosian was placed on waivers...we didn't pick him up.

Treliving went out and overpaid for an offensive minded defenseman on a d core that is not strong defensively. While letting hard hitting defensive pieces walk. Based on Dubas' moves going into the playoffs, I would have much rather preferred his direction to that of the one we are currently on.

Personally? The top heavy offense hasn't worked out. I would have NO ISSUES trading Marner and Nylander for some solid pieces back.

At this point even Matthews at his price isn't worth the value.

I don’t trust Dubas at all. I prefer Tre. I just didn’t like his choice of Kampf VS Schenn. The rest of the choice id have made as well (Reaves, Domi, Bertuzzi). Klingberg was a questionable choice. I believe Tre will change almost the entire D core during this year. We need Zadorov.

 

[alliuk12]

The “same record as last year” talk is disingenuous.

Yes but watching the new players that was brought in the plays they are making this year is not going to be a come back

 

[Racer88]

This reads pretty much like what some of us were saying was going to happen long ago. Not moving Marner or Nylander for D help will be the most costly thing. Marner was ideal because WN scores more and makes less.

Yup. It’s been obvious for a few years now that this was going to be an issue and it’s not changing anytime soon.
Matthews is locked up Marner might as well be because they missed and chance to trade him, it’s looking like Nylander is not going anywhere so the same core that has hampered the teams ability to make meaningful change will just carry on until their windo closes and we will start yet another rebuild.
Dubas and Shanny had a chance to do a retool but chose to ignore it and here we are. Same crap for the last 7 years only maybe worse

Marner is vastly superior of a player. Nylander is the one who should have be traded for D help. .33 goals per game vs .34 goals per game. Not a lot of difference in goal scoring.

Nylander is the only one they can trade. Both Tavares and Marner have no trade deals

I doubt Keefe is going anywhere this year. Shanny and Co. Are so resistant to make any meaningful changes.

 

[1specter]

Marner is vastly superior of a player. Nylander is the one who should have be traded for D help. .33 goals per game vs .34 goals per game. Not a lot of difference in goal scoring.

Now do playoffs

 

[Buds17]

The “same record as last year” talk is disingenuous.

Such comparisons are generally going to be pointless because of how other teams can factor into them. I only find myself concerned with whether or not the Leafs are in a playoff spot at the current time.

 

[PromisedLand]

Good, willing to try something new after this past segment of games
4th line still a problem.

Keefe is almost there. He needs to read my post with more vigor

Post-Game Talk: - Leafs lose

LMAO WHAT? Who the F was on the B2B tonight? leafs or sabres?

forums.hfboards.com

 

[Puckstuff]

The D is so much worse now. We have less depth.

Bertuzzi isn’t really integrating well.

Kampf is overpaid. I said it on day 1, he’s a 1.0-1.25 million dollar 4 C.

Keefe is a terrible coach who doesn’t get the best out of his players imo. He’s done a terrible job integrating the new players into the group.

This doesn’t feel like a well connected team but a bunch of solo individuals and it’s felt like that for a while.

 

[mapleleaf979]

Keefe is part of the problem. See Kampf taking draws in OT, Marner playing 25 mins a night when others are at 11 or 12 and its tough to get anything out of them with that ice time, out coached in every playoffs, lastly cut ties with anything attached to Dubas. Fire Keefe asap.

 

[diceman934]

Now do playoffs

Marner leads the team in scoring in the playoffs

 

[1specter]

Marner leads the team in scoring in the playoffs

Goals. Racking up a bunch of secondary assists early in a series is pretty meaningless in the grand scheme.

 

[Willchel Marlynder]

$9m

Knies has never been on the 4th line, Bertuzzi has for his bad play.

I don't think running Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and Tavares for 25 mins a night because you can't trust your 4th line is the solution.

Gotta split these guys up on three lines then. If Matthews wants 13M then they need to start driving their own line.

 

[danny90]

He is one of the problems but it is deeper than that. A major part is the poor cap distribution that Dubas set up. Dubas tried for 5 years to make it work with very little success. Now comes Tre with a lot of pressure to try and fix it and he has totally blown it.
I put most of the responsibility on Shanny. If they can’t turn this year around and go deep in the playoff Shanny, Tre and Keef should be gone and an “on the fly rebuild should take place but the problem is Will most likely will get signed and Marner/Tavares cannot be traded so we either have to resign them thus continue the nightmare or lick our wounds and let them walk for nothing. Either way we are looking at best a retool and at worst a rebuild.

Tre had a lot of room to sign or trade with the cap structure. Was he not allowed because of shanny or did he just fail? Hard to tell.

Knies, bertuzzi, and domi are huge upgrades from last year. It’s on Keefe.

Bertuzzi is not better than bunting and domi is a side grade if anything from kerfoot

 

[Maple Leaf]

Marner and Mathes and Nylander and Tavares need to score in crunch time and come up clutch in the playoffs game 7 no more excuse

 

[authentic]

Keefe is definitely a problem. Going back to 2020 when he came on board there have been a lot of new Leafs on-boarded who have simply not panned out at all. That goes back to coaching and having a blender of a system not integrating guys properly, not motivating them properly. As of the Boston game I would say the chance of him being Leafs coach after the Sweden trip is going down and down.

What other coaches are available I wonder?

 

[authentic]

The “same record as last year” talk is disingenuous.

This year all our big guns are firing early, this year the additions and subtractions are looking to be a total negative, and it’s not something that will likely improve much because the players we got are simply crap defensively

 

[bax]

Yup. It’s been obvious for a few years now that this was going to be an issue and it’s not changing anytime soon.
Matthews is locked up Marner might as well be because they missed and chance to trade him, it’s looking like Nylander is not going anywhere so the same core that has hampered the teams ability to make meaningful change will just carry on until their windo closes and we will start yet another rebuild.
Dubas and Shanny had a chance to do a retool but chose to ignore it and here we are. Same crap for the last 7 years only maybe worse


Nylander is the only one they can trade. Both Tavares and Marner have no trade deals

I doubt Keefe is going anywhere this year. Shanny and Co. Are so resistant to make any meaningful changes.

I’ll be pretty surprised if keefe is still here by Christmas. Luckily Treliving doesn’t have a history with him and hopefully doesn’t think he’s a future hall of famer too. I’d guess his replacement is standing right beside him behind the bench in Boucher.

 

[Blanche Blanche]

Shanny has been the only constant. He was here with Lou, Babcock, Dubas and Keefe.

Seemingly while everything has changed, basically it has stayed the same.

I can't help but wonder if it is his philosophy to not play a more physical style. Ot if it is indeed he who wants the 4 to stay together.

I am not in panic mode. I really can't believe Bertuzzi and Domi will look this bad all season. The odds of them both falling off a cliff so dramatically is low.

Leafs were playing with their 9th and 10th dmen last night.

While not perfect, it will look better when McCabe, Lilly and Timmins are back.

I do wonder tjough how he has been the only survivor of all the playoffs failings

Domi and Bertuzzi were both complimented during the playoff runs during the yester seasons

They’re both looking bad now cause Keefe probably lucked out by having 4 talented players who can score at will some games.

He doesn’t make it better for anyone else.
No optimization at all

 

[Racer88]

What other coaches are available I wonder?

With this group unless serious changes are made in season it’s going to be a lost year so why not try our new assistant Boucher

 

[bax]

Keefe is part of the problem. See Kampf taking draws in OT, Marner playing 25 mins a night when others are at 11 or 12 and its tough to get anything out of them with that ice time, out coached in every playoffs, lastly cut ties with anything attached to Dubas. Fire Keefe asap.

Seeing kampf go out there to start overtime reminds me of Babcock sending out Komarov while Matthews sat on the bench.