Is Keefe really the problem?

[All Mod Cons]

This is the guy our previous GM told us was a LEGEND.

 

[BallardEra]

Maybe he's taking about the Sabres D playing on back to back nights:

 

[thewave]

It's not a Keefe problem though he has been there long enough to be a part of the problem.

At this point the problem goes all the way to the top. Rogers Bell Larry are the big ones. If it were me and probably 75% of everyone else here Shanny Keefe would already be shown the door long ago. Basically after MTL when NuHockey was a flop. Everything should have been done right then.

 

[GoonieFace]

Nothing to do with the trash D that was assembled or some of the bad goaltending we got.

Just line changes, I got it.

The trash D was assembled prior to Brad taking over:

Brodie - #4 dman at best, looks burnt out
Gio - geezer
Reilly - legit top pairing
Lily- was coming along, still not a top 4 yet
Timmins- suprise, he’s injured
McCabe - meh and injured

Brad added Klingberg to a group of d men devoid of offence. He has looked horrible, but he did not assemble this defence.

 

[Anthrax442]

Maybe he's taking about the Sabres D playing on back to back nights:

Well, they better do something, they got 4 games this week.

 

[Dayjobdave]

It might help if the coach plays the call up D more than 5 minutes.

 

[Maple Leaf]

blow up the MLSE including shanahan
he is the biggest cancer.

It is a flawed franchise
Need an overhaul from top to bottom

 

[Drytoast]

I think the real issue is that D core. Even when healthy it’s really not great at all. I could live with our 4th line.

Schenn wanted to resign. We said no. Bogosian was placed on waivers...we didn't pick him up.

Treliving went out and overpaid for an offensive minded defenseman on a d core that is not strong defensively. While letting hard hitting defensive pieces walk. Based on Dubas' moves going into the playoffs, I would have much rather preferred his direction to that of the one we are currently on.

Personally? The top heavy offense hasn't worked out. I would have NO ISSUES trading Marner and Nylander for some solid pieces back.

At this point even Matthews at his price isn't worth the value.

 

[francis246]

Schenn wanted to resign. We said no. Bogosian was placed on waivers...we didn't pick him up.

Treliving went out and overpaid for an offensive minded defenseman on a d core that is not strong defensively. Based on Dubas' moves going into the playoffs, I would have much rather preferred his direction to that of the one we are currently on.

Personally? The top heavy offense hasn't worked out. I would have NO ISSUES trading Marner and Nylander for some solid pieces back.

I love Marner but we should have traded him at the draft and resigned Willy and Matthews. I’ve been consistent I think that was probably Dubas’ plan, don’t think MLSE board or Shanny trusted him to be the one to execute that. Which is fair, but they should have allowed Brad to do so.

 

[Drytoast]

I love Marner but we should have traded him at the draft and resigned Willy and Matthews. I’ve been consistent I think that was probably Dubas’ plan, don’t think MLSE board or Shanny trusted him to be the one to execute that. Which is fair, but they should have allowed Brad to do so.

Willy sucks defensively. I dunno how many times this needs to be smacked upside people's heads. He's going to overvalue his worth come negotiations. He's great on the PP and zone entries and that's it. Marner at least plays the full 200 feet of ice but I'm sick to death of Nylander's drive by's in our end.

NOT WORTH THE VALUE. Don't get me wrong. Nylander is great offensively. But the liability defensively should balance out his value. But he will demand 10M in Toronto. He is NOT a 10M player.

We need 200 foot players who buy into a team game that's based on work ethic. Not this diva bullshit. I don't care much about any of the core four at this point.

 

[Nineteen67]

Hiring an apprentice GM put them in this spot.

They have some good players that keep them competitive but the roster makeup makes it impossible to be a legit Cup contender. What makes it worse it‘s the same holes every year.
Coaching is one of those holes.

 

[Drytoast]

Hiring an apprentice GM put them in this spot.

They have some good players that keep them competitive but the roster makeup makes it impossible to be a legit Cup contender. What makes it worse its the same holes every year.
Coaching is one of those holes.

Dubas did fine for the most part. It's not like the Islanders have done anything special since Lou took over. I do agree that asking a rookie GM to negotiate the huge contract signings of the core 4 was problematic and landed us in this spot.

 

[Nineteen67]

Dubas did fine. It's not like the Islanders have done anything special since Lou took over.

What does Lou and the Islanders have to with Dubas mismanagement?

 

[GoonieFace]

Schenn wanted to resign. We said no. Bogosian was placed on waivers...we didn't pick him up.

Treliving went out and overpaid for an offensive minded defenseman on a d core that is not strong defensively. While letting hard hitting defensive pieces walk. Based on Dubas' moves going into the playoffs, I would have much rather preferred his direction to that of the one we are currently on.

Personally? The top heavy offense hasn't worked out. I would have NO ISSUES trading Marner and Nylander for some solid pieces back.

At this point even Matthews at his price isn't worth the value.

Schenn isn’t worth what he got paid and he’s already injured.

Bogosian is awful

This d core had no offense from the backend, defensively they were not actually that bad, but add another year in Gio and the fact Brodie looked cooked in the playoffs, it was bound to catch up to them.

A Klingberg type is exactly what they needed. It’s 10 games in, and yes he has been putrid, but let’s see if he turns it around. If not, it’s not like they are married to him.

 

[hullsy47]

Maybe he's taking about the Sabres D playing on back to back nights:

Ya maybe he meant the Sabres. Keefe is a dead man walking

Keefe doesn’t make adjustments. We’ve lost 3 in a row and the lines are practically the same.

He has lived off the core 4 for years .MSLE NEEDS TO BLOW THIS UP

 

[mjd1001]

Wasnt it last year around this time that we had the same reaction during the west coast road trip (SJ, Anh, and LV?)

Its early still. Look at last year they weren't doing much better last year and everyone was freaking out and then they fixed things and the season got better.
Yes, back end seems worse this year than last year, and getting all 4 of the core going at the same time might not work as well (you can outscore the goals your back end allows sometime, but it shouldn't be a long term solution).
Still, I want to see where they are after 20 games before making too harsh of a judgement.

 

[TorMapleJays]

I cant see Rogers and Bell ever selling this franchise. With Tannenbaum looking to sell his share (IIRC) it is probably going to get more corporate, not less.

I guess this is the payment for taking lots of money. You get no help. You get the heat. Where as if they had all taken 2 million less per year, they would probably produce more, get more points, win more, and have some championships, and most likely get an easier ride from the fan base. Now they are exposed as the only ones on the island.

 

[Maple Leaf]

I cant see Rogers and Bell ever selling this franchise. With Tannenbaum looking to sell his share (IIRC) it is probably going to get more corporate, not less.

I guess this is the payment for taking lots of money. You get no help. You get the heat. Where as if they had all taken 2 million less per year, they would probably produce more, get more points, win more, and have some championships, and most likely get an easier ride from the fan base. Now they are exposed as the only ones on the island.

YOu need a passiaonat e owner that cares about winning first and can toletate a long rebuild
not profits

 

[hamzarocks]

Keefe sucks
Shanny sucks
Pizza Man Sucks
The depth sucks
The core sucks
Defense sucks
Toronto city is starting to suck

 

[ACC1224]

YOu need a passiaonat e owner that cares about winning first and can toletate a long rebuild
not profits

They just had a long rebuild. How do you think they got Matthews and Marner?

 

[PromisedLand]

Fixing the garbage that dubas did is not going to be done in a jiffy. The new GM is not even 6 months into the job.

Dubas threw away picks, ruined the cap structure, reigned in the "entitled culture"; it will take a lot of time to fix that.

Shanahan is the primary reason this is happening. He chose a jackass rookie for a GM for experimentation and now this franchise is in shambles. Will take a lot of time to undo all the trash that dubas had done to this franchise especially the "mindset" of core players

 

[PromisedLand]

Leafs have played 5 games at home where Keefe has had home ice advantage and last change and line matching ability and Leafs have given up 4 or more goals in every game.

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Pathetic coaching !!!!!

Whats hilarious about this stat is that when playing "away" and Keefe's ability to "galaxy brain" is taken away from opposition coach Leafs haven't been that bad defensively just the offense hasn't come.

Its an easy fix IMO question is wehther Keefe has the BALLS to do it? The trash that is dubas isn't here anymore and won't be told to "takesy backsy"

 

[notbias]

Fixing the garbage that dubas did is not going to be done in a jiffy. The new GM is not even 6 months into the job.

Dubas threw away picks, ruined the cap structure, reigned in the "entitled culture"; it will take a lot of time to fix that.

Shanahan is the primary reason this is happening. He chose a jackass rookie for a GM for experimentation and now this franchise is in shambles. Will take a lot of time to undo all the trash that dubas had done to this franchise especially the "mindset" of core players

Dubas sucks

Treliving is doing well

Really well

18 million that Brad could have spent is in the bottom 2 images.

Bonus:

 

[PromisedLand]

Dubas sucks

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Treliving is doing well

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Really well

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18 million that Brad could have spent is in the bottom 2 images.

Bonus:

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Dubas is f***ing GARBAGE! He is the reason Leafs are in this mess
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The dumbass inflated RFA contracts, Tavares contract, McCabe deal, Foligno deal, Kadri deal, etc.... no draft picks left, no cap left, no deep playoff runs... what kind of a SHIT GM delivers those results and keeps getting praised?

Dubas didn't anything to do with Matthews, Marner, Nylander, Rielly those are Lou-Hunter era. Dubas was a paperboy when they were drafted. Dubas fans really sicken me to my stomach. Go to the pens board this is LEAFS BOARD

 

[PromisedLand]

This is the guy our previous GM told us was a LEGEND.

I still remember that trashbag of a press conference how dubas was saying that keefe would be counted among the best coaches and will be a HoF coach.

its f***ing amazing the kind of blowhards we've assembled that have no work ethic, accountability and responsibility. The very first thing that needs to be purged after the garbage was taken out of toronto and shipped to pittsburgh; is the Entitled Team Culture that was instilled by previous GM.

Once the team culture is fixed a lot of the problems is automatically going to be fixed. I guarantee it!

Boston/Avs had penty of injuries last season but they didn't miss a beat with either guys from minors coming up or guys they acquired via trade (including Bertuzzi) same with Dallas and Domi.

team culture needs fixing!!!