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The only team that would possibly give him $5 million is the...... wait for it...

Toronto Maple Leafs.

He must be playing Dubas already. Getting a jump start. Don't worry about it Zach. It's easy to do. A caveman could do it.
 
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SeenSchenn2 said:
Hypothetically if it is $5M, can you find two $2.5M players to replace what he brings you next year and get better? I'm not sure.

Given his injuries and the way he plays, I think we all know the contract could look bad in a few years.
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Don't want him on the first line anymore. Loved when he was on the third line this season with kerfoot, but again can't pay bottom sixers 5M+. I don't see how the numbers can work anymore.
 
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I love Hyman, but anything beyond a 4 million AAV over 3-4 years is a risk. He plays a style that is conducive to getting injured, and that will only get worse with age.

Edmonton is likely going to blow our offer out of the water, so it's really up to Zach. I hope he understands that if he signs a long term deal with the Oilers, there's a chance McDavid will be gone during his contract term, and likely coming home to Toronto.
 
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SeenSchenn2 said:
Hypothetically if it is $5M, can you find two $2.5M players to replace what he brings you next year and get better? I'm not sure.

Given his injuries and the way he plays, I think we all know the contract could look bad in a few years.
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I think this is a tough question management will spend a lot of time looking at. I think it's also dependent on what they think of Robertson, if he is ready to be an NHL regular (I'm not sure he is there yet) then maybe he can slot into the top 6. If this was the case 2 x 2.5 million dollar players may be beneficial in terms of adding to the bottom 6.
 
WTFMAN99 said:
I had a capfriendly that removed;

Soup, Dermott,
Kerfoot (expansion)

Saad (5M x 3-4 years) - Matthews -88
Robertson/Galchenyuk (if Galchenyuk would take 1x1) - JT-Marner
Goodrow (2M x 3-4 yrs) - Engvall - Coleman (3-3.5M x 4 yrs)
Brooks - Spezza (750k x1) - Perry (750k x1)
Extra forward for 750k

It did keep the core 4 together like they proclaimed they wanted to do but I felt the roster was more rounded but I would prefer to see what Marner could return, get a more elite 3C along with getting 2 wingers for the top 6 - buys Robertson time.
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Another couple of players I’d be interested in if we lose Hyman and Andersen and Kerfoot is Valeri Nichushkin and Andre Burakovsky. Big skilled players on Colorado. Making a couple of million to $4 million. I think they would be like Engvall and Mikheyev type players but with actual scoring touch. Colorado will start having problems this offseason with Grubauer, Makar and Landeskog needing new deals.

Unfortunately we are pretty low on trade assets after that horrible Foligno deal. But what can you do. On the other hand, I wonder if Foligno would come back on a veteran special discount?
 
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Foligno. Granlund. McGinn haula. Goodrow. Coleman. Martini on Just off the top of my head could be in combination 5
Million dollars. I don’t see why we would spend 5-6 on Hyman. Seems like a bad idea
 
Clark4Ever said:
I love Hyman, but anything beyond a 4 million AAV over 3-4 years is a risk. He plays a style that is conducive to getting injured, and that will only get worse with age.

Edmonton is likely going to blow our offer out of the water, so it's really up to Zach. I hope he understands that if he signs a long term deal with the Oilers, there's a chance McDavid will be gone during his contract term, and likely coming home to Toronto.
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Edmonton signing Hyman to too much money is going to be another Lucic/Neal contract for them. He’s valuable because he’s young and works hard and is versatile but as time goes on it’s diminishing returns with that play style.
 
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mydnyte said:
he didnt even get a look at him this year which is pretty sad when they were rotating everyone into the lineup from the taxi squad, but, i hope we find out.
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All I remember about Joey Anderson is a puck-over-glass penalty he took (against Calgary, I think). :dunno:
 
Stephen said:
Edmonton signing Hyman to too much money is going to be another Lucic/Neal contract for them. He’s valuable because he’s young and works hard and is versatile but as time goes on it’s diminishing returns with that play style.
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Yes...and he's not even that young anymore.
 
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Likely scenario is Zach goes to FA and gets his best offer he gets then brings it back to Dubie and Dubie works out a lower AAV by front loading $$$ so he is in same net position .. if Oilers pull a Habs move then it may be over in TO .. it is YTBD
 
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Stephen said:
Those quality bangers exist throughout the league and often come from the same few organizations who value and build them. So it’s up to pro scouting to go Moneyball it up and find some prime aged value this summer. Otherwise I could see the Leafs taking a few steps back in the standings of a few things don’t line up right and potentially missing the playoffs for 2022.
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Right, we're still drafting sub-six footers that are basically top-six or bust, but we have 16/34/88/91 locked into our top-six so there's no room. This leaves us paying 1st round picks for Foligno and even when we do have one, we trade him for the ultimate top-six or bust fringe NHL'er, Denis Malgin. I don't know what this management doesn't understand about there being only six spots in the top-six and five spots on the powerplay, but they needed to figure it out years ago.

We have no issues signing guys like Spezza or picking up Galchenyuk off waivers every year. The league is lousy with guys like that, so the cost to acquire them is negligible. Meanwhile, the Foligno/Coleman/Goodrow types cost a first round pick because they're in short supply. We need to draft the gritty guys because not only do we actually need them, but their resale value is high if we run a surplus. Nobody wants a Johnsson or Malgin or Galchenyuk because they're everywhere, yet we mostly draft guys that will at best turn into them. Just baffling.
 
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SeenSchenn2 said:
Hypothetically if it is $5M, can you find two $2.5M players to replace what he brings you next year and get better? I'm not sure.

Given his injuries and the way he plays, I think we all know the contract could look bad in a few years.
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That's just it
And although solid, also hasn't performed in playoffs
 
killer1980 said:
I think you can dump Marner, if you can find someone willing to take his ridiculous contract. Then, you can turn around and sign Hyman for $4.5 million for 5 years. That way you have started the ball rolling to fill in your team with some good lunch bucket players at a more or less reasonable price. Right now, if Hyman leaves without Dubas finding an adequate replacement, Leafs miss the playoffs next year. The puck will just sit in the corner and the opposition will be able to walk it out.
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You might get Marner to go into a corner if you staple his paycheque to the boards there.
 
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Hyman has evolved into a great complimentary piece for star players.

But you absolutely do not overpay complimentary pieces. We are the LAST team who can do that.

But I bet Dubas is going to overpay him anyway.
 
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binop7 said:
Don't want him on the first line anymore. Loved when he was on the third line this season with kerfoot, but again can't pay bottom sixers 5M+. I don't see how the numbers can work anymore.
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I love Hyman but I’ll take 2 Connor Brown’s for that. Again, it’s about balance.
And balance works here as well.
This is your lower level balance.
 
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Dubas will pay through the nose for hyman and give him everything he wants.
 
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