Hyman Discussion Thread

[Donnie740]

As others have said... looking more and more like he is getting interest @ $5 mil around the league, maybe even more.

My question then, is who can we bring in with a similar skillset at a lower cost? Who is out there who brings this kind of play that would fit in with our group?

Imo, Hyman's skill is under rated, espectially in tight spaces. Yes, he bulls his way to the puck, but he has some decent hands and a high hockey IQ.

Thinking about all the gaps in our roster, and moving back to our regular division, I have serious doubts about our success for next season.

Don't make the mistake of overrating Hyman just because he’s currently a Leaf.

Corey Perry for $750k on a 1yr deal or Hyman for $5m on a five or six year boat anchor type contract - - do you honestly have to think that one over?

 

[mydnyte]

Lets hope Hyman's player agent Todd Reynolds doesn't use Marner' goal production as his comparable

Goal scoring statistics by linemates since Marner signed his $10.9 mil AAV deal.

Zach Hyman
2019-20 ....... 51 games .. 21 goals & playoffs ... 5 games 1 goals.
2020-21 ....... 43 games ...15 goals & playoffs ...7 games 1 goals.

Total last 2 years = 94 games .. 36 regular season goals and 2 playoff goals.

Mitch Marner (@ $10.9 mil AAV)
2019-20 .... 59 games .. 16 goals & playoffs .. 5 games 0 goals.
2020-21 .....55 games ...20 goals & playoffs ...7 games 0 goals.

Total last 2 years = 114 games .. 36 regular season goals and 0 playoff goals.

So what is a Zach Hyman goal worth (in -20 less games played) in comparison to a Marner goal when those #'s are virtually the same except for playoffs?

Even if a Hyman goal is worth only 1/2 a Marner goal that still = $ 5.45 mil.

PS . The rest of Marner's $$ value must come when their 3rd linemate Matthews puts the puck in the net.

In Marner's defense (which i rarely come to) he would have scored a couple of goals vs Mtl if Hyman handnt blocked a few shots with his backside in front of the front of the net. ...and Marner is NOT a goal scorer.

 

[wingman75]

Don't make the mistake of overrating Hyman just because he’s currently a Leaf.

Corey Perry for $750k on a 1yr deal or Hyman for $5m on a five or six year boat anchor type contract - - do you honestly have to think that one over?

Fair. I like what Hyman brings, and that he is a local guy, but agreed... there have to be cheaper options that bring the same. He deserves whatever he gets, whereever he gets it.

 

[Mess]

With each passing year the Cap Hell the Leafs find themselves in because of the 4 X F eating 1/2 the Cap, ends up squeezing good players like Hyman out of the middle, leaving only the upper class and then a bunch of bargain basement replacements as offsets.

Hymen is well worth the $5-6 mil price tag because of what he brings, and other teams are likely willing to pay him, only not likely in TO because they can't afford to.

 

[mydnyte]

With each passing year the Cap Hell the Leafs find themselves in because of the 4 X F eating 1/2 the Cap, ends up squeezing good players like Hyman out of the middle, leaving only the upper class and then a bunch of bargain basement replacements as offsets.

Hymen is well worth the $5-6 mil price tag because of what he brings, and other teams are likely willing to pay him, only not likely in TO because they can't afford to.

every team is in Covid Cap hell right now, but, they cant all say they have 4 elite players at the top of their lineup.

Hyman is expendable ...calling him 'good' is an overstatement, he is useful, and made the most of playing with elite players (not everyone does)
I hope a team other than the Leafs pays Hyman 5-6 and then you can look back at this post and realize how wrong you were. ...unless he's lucky enough to end up on the wing with McDavid and Drais ...then he can limit their offense, but, look great battling in the corner, and never getting the talent the puck on a regular basis.

 

[JT AM da real deal]

Oilers will be at 5.5M for 7 years

For Leafs to retain it will be an 8 year deal with a massive front loading of deal in bonus $$$ and then a trade in 5 years time or a buyout .. i still think 4.5M for 8 years with 3 massive bonus payments in first 3 years will get it done

It will mean 73.5M on 15 guys so 8M AAV left for 7-8 guys .. same old same old CAP problem and lots more 1 year prove it deals at 1M each

 

[egd27]

every team is in Covid Cap hell right now, but, they cant all say they have 4 elite players at the top of their lineup.

No, they can just say they've won a playoff round since the salary cap existed.

 

[mydnyte]

No, they can just say they've won a playoff round since the salary cap existed.

if you dont win the cup, winning a round is nothing really... to quote the immortal Ricky Bobby "If you ain't first, you're last"

 

[egd27]

if you dont win the cup, winning a round is nothing really... to quote the immortal Ricky Bobby "If you ain't first, you're last"

And to quote the immortal egd27 "You can't win a cup if you can't win a round"

 

[MarMarSab3]

Let him walk

 

[keonsbitterness]

And to quote the immortal egd27 "You can't win a cup if you can't win a round"

Hate that guy!

 

[socko]

In Marner's defense (which i rarely come to) he would have scored a couple of goals vs Mtl if Hyman handnt blocked a few shots with his backside in front of the front of the net. ...and Marner is NOT a goal scorer.

Hyman and Marner are the same type of goal scorer. They play on a scoring line and opponents completely ignore them as a scoring threat and eventually they get enough point blank chances that they score 20 goals over a season

And no Hyman is not worth $5 million. Maybe to Lou Lamoriello he is.

 

[egd27]

Hate that guy!

He can be annoying, no doubt about it.

 

[Trapper]

if you dont win the cup, winning a round is nothing really... to quote the immortal Ricky Bobby "If you ain't first, you're last"

I guarantee you you don’t win the Cup if you
A. Don’t make the playoffs
B. Don’t win a round

100% guaranteed.

 

[Donnie740]

I guarantee you you don’t win the Cup if you
A. Don’t make the playoffs
B. Don’t win a round

100% guaranteed.

But what about the expected Cup wins?

 

[keonsbitterness]

But what about the expected Cup wins?

According to my advanced analytics......

 

[Donnie740]

Hymen is well worth the $5-6 mil price tag because of what he brings, and other teams are likely willing to pay him, only not likely in TO because they can't afford to.

You can’t be serious with that comment.

The guy tries his best but there’s nothing he actually does well.

Rides the coattails of Matthews and Marner during the regular season but when they disappear in the playoffs he disappears too.

Giving Spanky TryHard $6m per would be even WORSE than giving Marner $10.5m.

 

[Menzinger]

With each passing year the Cap Hell the Leafs find themselves in because of the 4 X F eating 1/2 the Cap, ends up squeezing good players like Hyman out of the middle, leaving only the upper class and then a bunch of bargain basement replacements as offsets.

Hymen is well worth the $5-6 mil price tag because of what he brings, and other teams are likely willing to pay him, only not likely in TO because they can't afford to.

Do you think he will still be worth that money after a couple more seasons though? Because with a contract like his, it's not just is he worth that money right now, it's is he going to be worth it for the bulk of the next say 4-6 years. And unfortunately even last two years he's been so banged up he hasn't been able to play at 100% come playoff time.

 

[Rokker]

You can't overpay to keep Hyman.

Circumstance aside, we couldn't get it done with him at 2. How are we gonna get it done with him at 5+

Fantastic motor, love what he brings.

Find it cheaper, and get more of it.

 

[usernamezrhardtodo]

As others have said... looking more and more like he is getting interest @ $5 mil around the league, maybe even more.

My question then, is who can we bring in with a similar skillset at a lower cost? Who is out there who brings this kind of play that would fit in with our group?

Imo, Hyman's skill is under rated, espectially in tight spaces. Yes, he bulls his way to the puck, but he has some decent hands and a high hockey IQ.

Thinking about all the gaps in our roster, and moving back to our regular division, I have serious doubts about our success for next season.

I think we are amazed at Hyman for a couple of reasons...1. He is very good in the corners..2. we have nobody else that is good in the corners. So he seems outsized and amazing by our low standard of what is good when it comes to a grinder. If this was a few years ago...I would sign him for up to mid $4M range...but he has had 2 knee injuries and is starting to get less effective when it comes to winning battles. He was a shell of himself during the series and I couldn't believe it. I honestly thought he would be at full speed within a game or so..

 

[Suntouchable13]

I still think he should be a 3rd liner, and a good one at that, I just think that his lack of skill gets exposed in the playoffs playing on the top 2 lines. Not worth 5M.

 

[Kiwi]

With each passing year the Cap Hell the Leafs find themselves in because of the 4 X F eating 1/2 the Cap, ends up squeezing good players like Hyman out of the middle, leaving only the upper class and then a bunch of bargain basement replacements as offsets.

Hymen is well worth the $5-6 mil price tag because of what he brings, and other teams are likely willing to pay him, only not likely in TO because they can't afford to.

Hyman may be worth that AAV and term RIGHT NOW but it's certainly up for debate he will be worth that even halfway through a new contract

His current age, play style and injury history make me extremely sceptical he's going to be able to live up to a 5-6M deal medium to long term

 

[Nylander88]

If he wants north of 5, does anyone here consider letting him walk and trying to re-sign Foligno at around 4mil. I don't think he'll be much more than that, and outside of his first few games I don't think we saw him healthy. He had 4 assists in 4 games beside Matthews and Marner, and then the LBI happened and he was in and out of the lineup and visibly struggling. I'd be tempted to offer a 4mil per x 3 year deal to Foligno if Hyman can't be brought back

 

[Nylander88]

Hyman may be worth that AAV and term RIGHT NOW but it's certainly up for debate he will be worth that even halfway through a new contract

His current age, play style and injury history make me extremely sceptical he's going to be able to live up to a 5-6M deal medium to long term

I think anything 5 and up won't age well. I think someone will regret that. We all love Hyman here, but he's started to have some injury troubles, and he won't get a better opportunity elsewhere than beside Matthews-Marner or Tavares-Nylander. Even if he signs somewhere to play with some star players, I think you watch his production trail off. I think we are a great fit for him, and he is valued here by his teammates and fans. I hope they can get something done around 4-4.5mil with some term for Zach. I think if anyone goes north of 5 on him, that contract won't age well

 

[The Iceman]

Why do we love Hyman as fans?

Works his a$$ off every shift
goes hard to the net
Plays the body
Chips in the odd goal
Great team guy

Nothing there says a contract that starts with a $5. Especially at his age on a long deal.
I love Hyman as much as the next fan but he would be one I would walk away from for the $$$