Hyman Discussion Thread

[CapspaceKiller]

Really like the player, really want the player for the next 3-4 years, but he's 29 years old coming off multiple injuries in multiple years and isn't an overly skilled player. He produces based off effort and speed.

I'm guessing he'll get 5.75 x 6 from somebody (edmonton seems obvious) and I don't expect that contract to age well. Could end up very similar to Lupul.

I might talk myself into 4m x 6, but I know the team will eat some of those years.

 

[New Liskeard]

Really like the player, really want the player for the next 3-4 years, but he's 29 years old coming off multiple injuries in multiple years and isn't an overly skilled player. He produces based off effort and speed.

I'm guessing he'll get 5.75 x 6 from somebody (edmonton seems obvious) and I don't expect that contract to age well. Could end up very similar to Lupul.

I might talk myself into 4m x 6, but I know the team will eat some of those years.

Agreed, anything over 4, I move on and look at possibly a healthy Foligno short term replacement.

 

[HellasLEAF]

Losing Hyman is a big loss even with lackluster offensce in playoffs. Hopefully someone takes a paycut and it's him.

 

[capfit9]

he's gone...dubas decided he does not want a middle class when it comes to roster construction for forwards

 

[CuuuJooo]

I love Hyman as a player and think that he should have had the "A" ahead of Marner. But over $5 for a 29-year-old depth forward with an injury history? We can't.

Which means that Keefe will.

 

[hotpaws]

he has 5 goals and 13 pts in 32 playoff games

time to say goodbye and wish him luck with his new team

 

[m1ker]

2.5 m is my max on this guy. Why should he get more because he competes hard? He can't hit, cant pass, cant shoot, and injury prone.

 

[Stephen]

I'm a little worried that the babbling coming from the media and "insiders" about Hyman being some hugely sought after ufa and that he'll be offered around 6 per on a long term deal on the open market is some preemptive excuse to justify Dubie handing him a 5ish x 8yr deal and trying to spin it like a discount and a great move by the team

Hold on tightly, let go lightly. Rogers and Bell media doing him a solid drumming up free agency dollars but to get his money, Hyman has to play for another organization. He’s always welcome back in the future.

 

[McSnypsky]

Hold on tightly, let go lightly. Rogers and Bell media doing him a solid drumming up free agency dollars but to get his money, Hyman has to play for another organization. He’s always welcome back in the future.

I kinda agree with this, if the price is too high then fans aren't gonna cry about it for long so hype it up as much as possible

 

[johnnybbadd]

I wouldn’t sign Hyman for more money that he’s making right now so he’s as good as gone as far as I’m concerned. I do like him but he’s very limited as a player. He has one skill that is a 10/10 and it is puck retrieval. After he retrieves the puck he is average to below average in every other skill. His stickhandling and shooting are especially poor.

 

[axlrose87]

Anyone else worried about the media talk surrounding Hyman.
All the talking heads suggesting he will make over $6 million if he hits the market.
I’m scared they are doing Dubas a solid so that when he signs him for $5.5, he can act like he got a steal.
Hyman should not make a penny over $4 million.

 

[mydnyte]

Anyone else worried about the media talk surrounding Hyman.
All the talking heads suggesting he will make over $6 million if he hits the market.
I’m scared they are doing Dubas a solid so that when he signs him for $5.5, he can act like he got a steal.
Hyman should not make a penny over $4 million.

i'd say not a penny over 3 ...but, i'm on record as not a fan, unless he's OFF the top line.
Off the top line i'd maybe even go as high as 3.5 x 4 years, but, if he's on the top line, i'd rather someone else sign him.

 

[Nylanderthal]

So $6 million is big money, but $5 million per on perhaps a longer term and signing bonus upfront is not big money? It really depends on how greedy the player is and how much is enough or not enough.

I’m not going $5m on a long back diving deal. If he wants the golden parachute contract the number needs to be reasonable. 30m 8years 3.75aav front load and bonus that deal to the max. Works out that he gets ~22m before playing season 5. 20m the first 4 years, 10m the last 4 and first 5 years heavy bonus structure. When his body has given out you LTIR him and trade him off to a budget team and thank him for his time as a leaf. At that point they have a guy counting as 3.75m making around 2m (insured) annually for the duration of the deal. If that’s not good enough then you need to walk away and find alternatives, $5/6m for Hyman is worse than any of the big 4 “overpays”

 

[ShaneFalco]

Can't afford him. He's going to look at what AM and MM demanded and he won't take a team friendly deal either
Why would he?

 

[VanW27]

Man people are suddenly being really hard on Hyman, I wouldn't sign him anywhere near these outlandish 6mill per rumours but people are talking like he's some bottom 6 scrub who works hard and nothing more.

Hyman is 45th in ES Goals over the last 3 seasons with 49G in 165GP.

Some other players in that area:
- Stamkos 50G in 177GP
- Dubois 50G in 198GP
- Couture 49G in 186GP
- Svechnikov 49G in 205GP
- O'Reilly 48G in 209GP

 

[mydnyte]

Man people are suddenly being really hard on Hyman, I wouldn't sign him anywhere near these outlandish 6mill per rumours but people are talking like he's some bottom 6 scrub who works hard and nothing more.

Hyman is 45th in ES Goals over the last 3 seasons with 49G in 165GP.

Some other players in that area:
- Stamkos 50G in 177GP
- Dubois 50G in 198GP
- Couture 49G in 186GP
- Svechnikov 49G in 205GP
- O'Reilly 48G in 209GP

would you seriously compare Hyman to any of those players?
If you were offered any one of those players one for one for Hyman, would you refuse any of them?

 

[mydnyte]

Man people are suddenly being really hard on Hyman, I wouldn't sign him anywhere near these outlandish 6mill per rumours but people are talking like he's some bottom 6 scrub who works hard and nothing more.

Hyman is 45th in ES Goals over the last 3 seasons with 49G in 165GP.

Some other players in that area:
- Stamkos 50G in 177GP
- Dubois 50G in 198GP
- Couture 49G in 186GP
- Svechnikov 49G in 205GP
- O'Reilly 48G in 209GP

for fun, i just did the same search, and players ahead of Hyman

Vatrano (50) 206gp hits 310 blocked shots 138
Rust (50) 183gp hits 252 blocked shots 124
Bjorkstrand (54) 182gp hits 128 blocked shots 80
Nelson (55) 206gp hits 136 blocked shots 125
Guentzel (64) 177gp hits 194 blocked shots 98

Hyman, who is our grinder type, hits 223 blocked shots 83
Bjorkstrand is the only guy on the list that Hyman both outhits and has more blocked shots than.

 

[cupcrazyman]

Hyman deserves to cash in.

 

[VanW27]

would you seriously compare Hyman to any of those players?
If you were offered any one of those players one for one for Hyman, would you refuse any of them?

No, but that's precisely the point. His ES production is comparable to some very high end players and in line with a quality 1st line player while some people talk about him like he's a talentless plug.

What is he worth is certainly an interesting question, even with the flat cap on the open market I would expect he would get offers up in 5.5, maybe even 6 range on a shorter term. But like I said, no way I'd offer that.

If he wants term (5+ years) it would need to be under 4mill per for me, shorter and I could go as high as 4.5 per - Maybe 2 or 3x4.5 or 4x4ish

 

[mydnyte]

Hyman deserves to cash in.

Yes, dont disagree, as long as its not with Toronto.
we built him up, and someone else can overpay, and be stuck with the aftermath

 

[Clark4Ever]

The absolute maximum I would offer is a 4 million AAV for 5 years (I'd add the extra term to keep the AAV reasonable and entice him to stay).

Otherwise, let him walk.

 

[Mess]

Hyman #1 -- Matthews -- Marner
Hyman #2 -- Tavares ---- Nylander
Hyman #3 -- Kerfoot ---- Robertson
Hyman #4 -- Spezza ---- Mikheyev

If this were possible to have a Zach Hyman on every line then this would address some of Leafs overall shortcomings.

 

[joepeps]

I love when its time for a maple leaf player contract to come up... all the media hype and talk is crazy.... When there is no contract... its he's a good player hes ok hes this and that... then when its a contract talk and its a leaf player, its he's worth 4835398745394759 million dollars.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Hyman #1 -- Matthews -- Marner
Hyman #2 -- Tavares ---- Nylander
Hyman #3 -- Kerfoot ---- Robertson
Hyman #4 -- Spezza ---- Mikheyev

If this were possible to have a Zach Hyman on every line then this would address some of Leafs overall shortcomings.

I think he is a good player, sure, but I don't think he helped the #1 line at all in the playoffs. In fact, during the playoffs he has proven (at least to me) that he is a liability there. HE is an excellent 3rd liner, though.

 

[mydnyte]

I think he is a good player, sure, but I don't think he helped the #1 line at all in the playoffs. In fact, during the playoffs he has proven (at least to me) that he is a liability there. HE is an excellent 3rd liner, though.

...and needs to be paid like a 3rd liner.
Also, a 3rd line Winger too, unless we turn him into a C which wouldnt be unheard of.
But, he needs to be paid Less than Kerfoot to stay on the team, and they should prob trade Kerfoot also, if he isnt claimed by Seattle, which I think he will be as that $$ can be better used elsewhere, and compared to Hyman, i actually like Kerfoot.