Hyman Discussion Thread

[Antropovsky]

With each passing year the Cap Hell the Leafs find themselves in because of the 4 X F eating 1/2 the Cap, ends up squeezing good players like Hyman out of the middle, leaving only the upper class and then a bunch of bargain basement replacements as offsets.

Hymen is well worth the $5-6 mil price tag because of what he brings, and other teams are likely willing to pay him, only not likely in TO because they can't afford to.

Yep greed from your top players leads to non competitive hockey. Marners agent "Marner has signed in the Swiss league", "Marner now has two potential offersheets!"

Squeezed every single dime they could from the Maple Leafs. The only way I'm going to be happy with that kind of greed is if he is playing near McDavid level out there (McDavid even took less than he could in Edmonton). If McDavid was overcome with greed he easily could have walked away with more than 13 million instead of 12.5. McDavid knew he could've got more and could've did a shorter deal but he chose not to.

The extension was the top priority for the Oilers this offseason, general manager Peter Chiarelli said in May. Initial reports put the value of the contract at $106 million, which would have been an average annual value of $13.25 million.
"This may be one of the largest contracts ever given in the NHL, but I can assure you, it could easily have been a lot higher in value and shorter in term," Chiarelli said. "Building a team to win the Stanley Cup was a constant discussion point in this negotiation."

Not our Mitch Marner though... he tried to go for a short deal and for as much money as possible. God forbid the cap go up and he still is stick at the measly 10.893 he got when he was like 23 years old (although the 93 thousand to recognize Gilmour was a very nice touch - couldn't have been one decimal point to the left though. Bet Gilmour was so flattered).

Send him packing! A message should be sent that we want people who want to be here and who want to he competitive.

 

[wingman75]

I think we are amazed at Hyman for a couple of reasons...1. He is very good in the corners..2. we have nobody else that is good in the corners. So he seems outsized and amazing by our low standard of what is good when it comes to a grinder. If this was a few years ago...I would sign him for up to mid $4M range...but he has had 2 knee injuries and is starting to get less effective when it comes to winning battles. He was a shell of himself during the series and I couldn't believe it. I honestly thought he would be at full speed within a game or so..

Yea, I kinda kept waiting for him to be his usual self. He was downright terrible in the first couple games, but did improve a ton as the series went on... but was still not at the level one would expect. I am torn on this one. I guess it comes down to the moeny. 4.45 is my max max max.

 

[Mess]

Every line that Hyman plays on he makes it more effective.

The fact that all his teammates lobby coaching so that he can play on their line as everyone wants Zach attack to play with them.

 

[Mess]

Hyman may be worth that AAV and term RIGHT NOW but it's certainly up for debate he will be worth that even halfway through a new contract

His current age, play style and injury history make me extremely skeptical he's going to be able to live up to a 5-6M deal medium to long term

Term will be key, but as you put it best Hyman hard work and physical play take a toll on his body over time, where he is really being punished financially in the big picture for working and competing too hard.

If you play a soft small game you're likely to perform well longer. Warriors like Hyman wear out sooner, buts these type of players that all teams love on their teams also.

 

[Antropovsky]

Term will be key, but as you put it best Hyman hard work and physical play take a toll on his body over time, where he is really being punished financially in the big picture for working and competing too hard.

If you play a soft small game you're likely to perform well longer. Warriors like Hyman wear out sooner, buts these type of players that all teams love on their teams also.

Hyman isn't all that physical and he doesn't fight. He is a tireless worker and attacks the puck, he rubs guys out but he doesn't throw big hits.. He should last longer than other of the more physical players who also fight. Gary roberts was physical and a warrior... he played to what 44?

 

[Donnie740]

Yep greed from your top players leads to non competitive hockey. Marners agent "Marner has signed in the Swiss league", "Marner now has two potential offersheets!"

Squeezed every single dime they could from the Maple Leafs. The only way I'm going to be happy with that kind of greed is if he is playing near McDavid level out there (McDavid even took less than he could in Edmonton). If McDavid was overcome with greed he easily could have walked away with more than 13 million instead of 12.5. McDavid knew he could've got more and could've did a shorter deal but he chose not to.

The extension was the top priority for the Oilers this offseason, general manager Peter Chiarelli said in May. Initial reports put the value of the contract at $106 million, which would have been an average annual value of $13.25 million.
"This may be one of the largest contracts ever given in the NHL, but I can assure you, it could easily have been a lot higher in value and shorter in term," Chiarelli said. "Building a team to win the Stanley Cup was a constant discussion point in this negotiation."

Not our Mitch Marner though... he tried to go for a short deal and for as much money as possible. God forbid the cap go up and he still is stick at the measly 10.893 he got when he was like 23 years old (although the 93 thousand to recognize Gilmour was a very nice touch - couldn't have been one decimal point to the left though. Bet Gilmour was so flattered).

Send him packing! A message should be sent that we want people who want to be here and who want to he competitive.

Can’t have a GM who gets duped so easily by hollow rhetoric from agents and burned as badly as Dubas and Pridham did.

I’m pretty certain an experienced GM - - like, say, Lamoriello - - would never have caved like that.

 

[Gallagbi]

Hyman isn't all that physical and he doesn't fight. He is a tireless worker and attacks the puck, he rubs guys out but he doesn't throw big hits.. He should last longer than other of the more physical players who also fight. Gary roberts was physical and a warrior... he played to what 44?

Robert's was also a physical freak who missed almost 2 calendar years with his neck injury and rarely played a full season.

 

[Antropovsky]

Robert's was also a physical freak who missed almost 2 calendar years with his neck injury and rarely played a full season.

Yes..... what are you getting at?

 

[Gallagbi]

Yes..... what are you getting at?

Simplest way to put it? Hyman is not Roberts.

 

[Folignos Helmet]

I think Hyman’s work ethic is overstated in part because little to no one else on the roster has any.

Two 10+ million guys shouldn’t need another 5+ guy to succeed nor can you afford it.

I would try to keep it in the 3’s or walk away. Go sign 5 guys for 3 million each to fill a spot each on the first and second line and a complete third line.

Biggest issue for me is the drop from 10+ to league minimum guys. We need more 3m guys to play with the talent.

 

[Antropovsky]

Simplest way to put it? Hyman is not Roberts.

..... also my point. Hyman isn't the other players who broke down in their early 30s. Iginla was physical and fought...he was productive until his late 30s.

Hyman is smart and I'd call him careful... he's not reckless, doesn't throw big hits and doesn't fight.

 

[hotpaws]

5 goals - 13 pts in 32 playoff games

yup , this is the playoff warrior we have to open the vault for , lol

 

[Antropovsky]

I think Hyman’s work ethic is overstated in part because little to no one else on the roster has any.

Two 10+ million guys shouldn’t need another 5+ guy to succeed nor can you afford it.

I would try to keep it in the 3’s or walk away. Go sign 5 guys for 3 million each to fill a spot each on the first and second line and a complete third line.

Biggest issue for me is the drop from 10+ to league minimum guys. We need more 3m guys to play with the talent.

If we lose Hyman for nothing I'm gonna be upset with Dubas. He will have squandered many assets in short time. Before we know it, all we're gonna be the Edmonton Oilers. A few top line players and bunch of 4th liner and AHL players.

 

[Donnie740]

If we lose Hyman for nothing I'm gonna be upset with Dubas. He will have squandered many assets in short time. Before we know it, all we're gonna be the Edmonton Oilers. A few top line players and bunch of 4th liner and AHL players.

Losing Hyman for nothing would be MUCH better for the Leafs that locking $6m per into a mediocre plugger for the next 7yrs.

 

[Rielly4]

I like Hyman, i really do. But if we can replace him with someone who is more effective offensively and still brings some grind id be all for it.

 

[deprw]

If we lose Hyman for nothing I'm gonna be upset with Dubas. He will have squandered many assets in short time. Before we know it, all we're gonna be the Edmonton Oilers. A few top line players and bunch of 4th liner and AHL players.

If you try to win you have to bleed assets sometimes. I think this season was good to go all in, with our picks and UFAs. Now we have to regroup and do reassessment. We have good prospect pool and can lure one or two UFAs every year from europe or university. We can endure one summer with three picks.

 

[mydnyte]

Every line that Hyman plays on he makes it more effective.

The fact that all his teammates lobby coaching so that he can play on their line as everyone wants Zach attack to play with them.

he may be a good analytics player because he's humping the boards for full shits, so, offensive zone stats look good, but, as far as getting the puck to the players that are paid to score, he sucks at it.
its ironic that when he was on the 3rd line hw wasnt as much a boards hugger, but thought he was the 'talent' and tried to be the offensive guy ...and was a much better player, on a line better suited to him, because he didnt waste the talent.

 

[Mess]

he may be a good analytics player because he's humping the boards for full shits, so, offensive zone stats look good, but, as far as getting the puck to the players that are paid to score, he sucks at it.
its ironic that when he was on the 3rd line hw wasnt as much a boards hugger, but thought he was the 'talent' and tried to be the offensive guy ...and was a much better player, on a line better suited to him, because he didnt waste the talent.

Hyman is the straw that stirs the Leafs drink on many nights, and as he goes so do the Leafs.I wish we had a Zach Hyman for every Leafs line.

If some of our other more talented Leafs even had 1/2 the heart, will, compete level or effort and desire to win than Hyman we would be a pretty good team.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread Marner 36 goals the last 2 seasons and Hyman 36 goals .. Only Matthews, Tavares and Nylander have scored more goals than Zach.

 

[ToneDog]

Hyman is the straw that stirs the Leafs drink on many nights, and as he goes so do the Leafs.I wish we had a Zach Hyman for every Leafs line.

If some of our other more talented Leafs even had 1/2 the heart, will, compete level or effort and desire to win than Hyman we would be a pretty good team.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread Marner 36 goals the last 2 seasons and Hyman 36 goals .. Only Matthews, Tavares and Nylander have scored more goals than Zach.

Sadly sounding like Hyman is not willing to take enough of a discount to stay. Guess we can thank you know who for Leafs not being able to fit him in under the cap without further painting the GM into the corner he has pained himself in.

 

[Duffman955]

I like Hyman, i really do. But if we can replace him with someone who is more effective offensively and still brings some grind id be all for it.

Where do you get a player like this for cheap?

 

[ITM]

Hyman is the straw that stirs the Leafs drink on many nights, and as he goes so do the Leafs.I wish we had a Zach Hyman for every Leafs line.

If some of our other more talented Leafs even had 1/2 the heart, will, compete level or effort and desire to win than Hyman we would be a pretty good team.

As I pointed out earlier in the thread Marner 36 goals the last 2 seasons and Hyman 36 goals .. Only Matthews, Tavares and Nylander have scored more goals than Zach.

Couldn't disagree more. Hyman's a competitor and his effort is undeniable. He's improved in every facet of his game. But he's not the prime mover in Toronto. Wish we had a Hyman for every line? Absolutely. But he is in every sense a support player. Maybe our quintessential support player. But the assessment has to be consistent. If Hyman's one goal in these playoffs supports the claim that stirs the Leaf's drink, then maybe there's something else going on by believing such to be the case if that's the case.

Hyman's scored 13 points in 32 games. Now I know we've just piled on our core for reasons that are legitimate. If our highest paid players who are paid to score don't score (consistently and timely), then there's an issue. If we're about to pay Hyman somewhere north of four, five million dollars on a soapbox that says it's the playoffs or nothing, I think we move on if he doesn't take four or a little less and term.

If we've entered the bottom line phase in our contention building enterprise, a goal every playoffs season can't possibly be worth 5-6M dollars a season on our club.

Don't want to lose him. Hope he stays. But the two wrongs don't make a right maxim has to move forward with this club. No more paydays. And if that slow burns a kind of resentment through the club that finally pushes Marner into boss mode Marner, then the money NOT spent, just might be worth the risk of losing other fan favorites.

To H-E-double hockey sticks with fan favorites. It's time to put loyalty to the Cup ahead of loyalty to feelings.

 

[ITM]

Sadly sounding like Hyman is not willing to take enough of a discount to stay. Guess we can thank you know who for Leafs not being able to fit him in under the cap without further painting the GM into the corner he has pained himself in.

It's not all on Dubas and Pridham. But for the pandemic, that cap doesn't constrain our club. And just like Marner and Matthews had choices to take team friendly deals. Like Nylander. Hyman has a choice. I mean David Pastrnak and Brayden Point had choices and they chose the team's best interest.

We're paying Tavares, Matthews and Marner as we are. I think, certainly in the regular season, there's an element of their production that says there's some justification. Bloated, but, hindsight being what it is, had the completely unforeseen pandemic not arisen...

And then there's the prospect of championing Hyman's right to a conscientious Pastrnak-Point payday? Not for me. Let him cash-in elsewhere. Hope he stays for appropriate money and term. If not, I think we can thank him for not working with the club to find a solution.

 

[Donnie740]

Where do you get a player like this for cheap?

Instead of giving away late round draft picks for no talent hacks like Riley Trash or using them to select undersized European finesse type perimeter players, go with try-hard plugger types from the Canadian junior leagues.

 

[Duffman955]

Instead of giving away late round draft picks for no talent hacks like Riley Trash or using them to select undersized European finesse type perimeter players, go with try-hard plugger types from the Canadian junior leagues.

We usually draft 5'6 Euros in those rounds

 

[ToneDog]

Instead of giving away late round draft picks for no talent hacks like Riley Trash or using them to select undersized European finesse type perimeter players, go with try-hard plugger types from the Canadian junior leagues.

When you refuse to even select one with one of 10 picks, it says something. Seriously Joe Miller Lite ??

Joe Miller

Center -- shoots R
Born Sep 15 2002 -- Minneapolis, MN
[18 yrs. ago]
Height 5.09 -- Weight 146 [175 cm/66 kg]

Drafted by Toronto Maple Leafs
- round 6 #180 overall 2020 NHL Entry Draft