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It's time to move on from Shanahan too !!! He is working for the NHL and NOT building a team the way he played in the NHL !!!

Why has he NOT called out the NHL for all the penalties LET GO for Tampa and CALLED against our Leafs. Fire him and let him go back to living full time with his family in NJ !!!
 
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seventieslord said:
Going all the way back to 1994, I'd say.

Possibly 2003. Possibly. But even still, that's 19 years. And there was no cap. Dubas put together the best defense any cap-era leafs GM ever had going into the playoffs and it was not enough.



I can't believe I was today years old when I found out Mrazek has a 3.8M cap hit for the next two seasons. I kinda assumed he was a 1-2 year commitment at something like 1.5M.

FML, what do we do with this guy? Can his salary at least be buried in the AHL?
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Only $1.125 M of Mrazek's 3.8 M would be subtracted from his cap hit were he to end up in the AHL.
 
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Apex Predator said:
If you fire Keefe and bring in Trotz you need to switch the look of the team as this is not what a Trotz team looks like.

Our star players will need to buy in to defense first and be willing to sacrifice goals and points. Do you believe Matthew, Marner and Nylander will do that?
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Actually I believe Matthews and Marner probably would... Those two are tired of this rinse repeat stuff and you can hear it and see it in their voices and body language
 
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uncleben said:
I can see big changes happening, and I can see some of those changes screwing us over or us regretting them. Knee jerk reactions, that feel like they have to be made, but will strip this team of talent.
I can see it happen.
I can understand it happening.

But I don't see this as Dubas' fault, and I still think this roster should be able to win.
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Not making big changes is very risky.

How do we know that things will be any different with the same core coached by the same guy? We could win the division next year, we probably will, actually, and get to face a wildcard team. Watch it be the Bruins, and we somehow lose a 1-0 game to them in game 7 at home. Marchand with the goal.

Making big changes is also very risky!

How do we know we didn't already have the right mix and just lost to an excellent team in a coin flip series? How do we know that a Leafs team that emerges from this series didn't have a run in them? Florida is fragile; that could have been a quick series, for all we know. In an attempt to shake up everything and take a new approach, we could screw everything up.

And either way, our young core is another year older and AM34 is a year away from commanding 14M or leaving for nothing (probably the latter).
 
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seventieslord said:
I can't believe I was today years old when I found out Mrazek has a 3.8M cap hit for the next two seasons. I kinda assumed he was a 1-2 year commitment at something like 1.5M.

FML, what do we do with this guy? Can his salary at least be buried in the AHL?
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Robidas Island?
 
uncleben said:
Correct! Any player*


*There is a small exception to contracts signed by players 35+, but that doesn't come into play here
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I guess I missed when that changed. At some point, you were able to bury any salary in the AHL, providing the player didn't have a clause stopping you from doing that, and as long as they weren't 35+ when they signed it, it would come off the books.

When did that change?
 
Mehar said:
I agree with this. I would shop Nylander also. I would like this organization to target Trotz as head coach. If Shanahan did not have 3 years left on his contract, I would hoped this organization would have fired him too along with Dubas. Shanahan has been here 8 years, with nothing to show for it, except for embarrassing First Round Exits.
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Yeah, agreed with firing Shanny along with Dubas. I do think firing Keefe and trading Willie are worth strong consideration too, but I’d leave those decisions to the new GM.

Clean house up top, and make sure the new GM is someone who can play hardball and force JT out, as that’s the one player move that I think HAS to happen for us to have any sort of shot at the cup in the near future.

Other than that I have no strong preferences, just hire a good replacement GM and let them take their shot.
 
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DraftSchmaft said:
Consistent 70+ point forwards (if that's who he is now) who also go point per game in the playoffs are scarce.
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I'd be careful calling Nylander a guy who goes point per game in the playoffs. Sure, technically he did, but there was a lot of garbage time in the first 4 games of the series, and the points anyone scored during that time did nothing to affect the outcome at all, they only serve to make their production look less disappointing in the end, when we all forget about how and when they were scored.
 
Total garbage time points in the series...

Matthews 4
Rielly 3
Marner 2
Nylander 2
Muzzin 2
Brodie 2
Tavares 1
Kerfoot 1
Kase 1
Mikheyev 1
Engvall 1
Blackwell 1
 
Stamkos4life said:
Also, vasy had the exact same sv% but a better gaa. So no Campbell did not outplay vasi.
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This is just grasping at straws.

GAA is completely meaningless. Vasi's lower GAA is nothing more than a symptom of him allowing 1 more goal in 34 more minutes played.

GAA = (1-sv%) * Shots against/60. the only number in that entire equation that has anything to do with goalie performance is save percentage, so why use a number that distorts a good number with other factors outside of the goalie's control, and then present it as though it means something?

I'm not making a comment on goaltending when I say this. People are gonna think what they want right now, but that statement was just abuse of numbers.
 
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This is just grasping at straws.

GAA is completely meaningless. Vasi's lower GAA is nothing more than a symptom of him playing 1 more goal in 34 more minutes played.

GAA = (1-sv%) * Shots against/60. the only number in that entire equation that has anything to do with goalie performance is save percentage, so why use a number that distorts a good number with other factors outside of the goalie's control, and then present it as though it means something?

I'm not making a comment on goaltending when I say this. People are gonna think what they want right now, but that statement was just abuse of numbers.
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I fully agree. Sv% is the only stat that actually matters.

But the poster I was talking to said Campbell outplayed vasi.

They had the exact same sv%. Some people mistakenly believe gaa means something so I included it as well.
 
HomelessPepper said:
His job is to continue to improve the team until they win the cup. Period. A good GM should stay until he's no longer improving the team. By your logic, most GMs would be fired every 2-3 years...

Everyone is saying 4 years on Dubas, but they were only expected to win in 2 of those years. They should have won this year and last year. Columbus was the better team in the play-in year, and the Bruins were the better team the year before that.

If he continues to draft guys like Knies, develop guys like Lily and Sandin, and acquire guys like Bunting, he's probably improving the club.

I'd much rather Dubas than Burke or Lou.
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I agree, winning the cup is the goal.

But so far dubas has not shown the capability to even win a single round.

You need to win four series to get your name on the cup. Dubas has zero wins in four years.

In 2020, the Leafs had the exact same points% as Columbus but had a positive goal for / against ratio and had the better stretch leading to the PO qualifier.

As well the jackets had just lost their #1 goalie, their #1 player and their #1C. We should've stomped them.

The Habs series was disgusting.

The results show that dubas is not making this team better. He needs to be fired.

Lou has accomplished 10x more than dubas has.

Even in the last 3 years, Lou has had his team reach the semi finals twice. Has won gm of the year twice as well.

Yet you and the dubas fan boys think dubas is far better than Lou.

It's amazing how you can ignore all the results and facts and instead go with your emotions. It's sad.

Lebron James said:
everyone knows that isnt hiring a coach, especially when you understand context of that season as they were trying to tank for mcdavid lol. but good try. if u honestly think shanahan 'hired' horacheck to be the leafs coach, like a real one, u dont understand how management in pro sports works.

shanahan and dubas arent getting fired
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Right, shanny told someone to be the head coach, paid him as such and fired him. But he didn't hire him to be coach.
 
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Diatonic said:
And the NHL playoff format is bad. But, those suggesting this seem to forget the gift we got in the COVID season.
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For all the moaning the dubas fan boys like to do about the pandemic affecting kyle's plan, it gave us an unprecedented path to the final 4.

All we had to do was beat a Montreal team that shouldn't even have made the PO and then Winnipeg.

Yet this team of losers managed to choke a 3-1 series lead against our oldest rival.

I just find it wild that after all the embarrassment we've been subjected to with dubas as gm, there are still so many dubas apologists.
 
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Wrong question there OP .
How many are ? equals none unfortunately .
How many should be ? is the correct question , the answer is at least 3 .
When this team went in the tank on purpose to retool the management group stood up and made a promise to the fans that this wouyld be a 5 year rebuild there would be no shortcuts but the pain would be worth it .
That promise was broken after year one when having had a good year they reigns were turned over to a hipster duffus who ran out and spent 11 million on an aging center as a win now deal which has failed us miserably .
There needs to be accountability from the top down so start with Shanny , Dumbass and Keefe then let the new group evaluate our roster and propose a new path forward .
 
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Shanahan and Dubas automatically embrace the a-typical to a degree it almost looks like spite for the typical. Meanwhile the rest of the league embraces normal NHL hockey and end up going on playoff runs with far less talent.

already tired of hearing "but it's ok because they only lost to the 2 time champs!" yeah that wasn't Tampa. Their goalie was garbage and their best forward was Nick Paul. The Dubas leafs lost to Nick friggin Paul.
 
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seventieslord said:
I'd be careful calling Nylander a guy who goes point per game in the playoffs. Sure, technically he did, but there was a lot of garbage time in the first 4 games of the series, and the points anyone scored during that time did nothing to affect the outcome at all, they only serve to make their production look less disappointing in the end, when we all forget about how and when they were scored.
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Garbage time? No offence but that's soft. Those 2 goals gave us a legit shot at making a come back pulling the goalie. One extra goal there and things suddenly get interesting.

Nylander had 0 garbage points this playoffs. You're wrong. Trying for a comeback is not garbage time especially in the playoffs. Not taking the offside ruined everything.
 
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