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The point was, what effect will it have on the current assessment of the Leafs if Tampa fails to win the cup or advance to the finals.

Right now many are assuming the Leafs were one goal away from beating the current best team in the league. If the Bolts are shown not to be that, will assessments of the Leafs failed season change?

I would suggest they might.
 
The point was, what effect will it have on the current assessment of the Leafs if Tampa fails to win the cup or advance to the finals.

Right now many are assuming the Leafs were one goal away from beating the current best team in the league. If the Bolts are shown not to be that, will assessments of the Leafs failed season change?

I would suggest they might.
100%. If Tampa loses to Florida (even without point) this should be seen as a much bigger failure
 
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I mean I know people hate Dubas but what's the complaint?

Our weakness was defense when he took over:

Rielly, Hainsey, Polak, Gardiner, Dermott, Zaitsev, Marincin etc.

To currently:

Rielly, Giordano, Brodie, Muzzin, Holl, Lubushkyn

Is it perfect? No but it's a lot better.


Keefe needs to go. He clearly can't get this team to the next level.

Tavares should go but I know our situation won't allow it so Nylander will be on his way out.

Trouble is Leaf fans seem to accept failure. 5 years of nothing and you'd have thought we'd gone to the finals. Can't wait to see the instagram posts of AM & MM enjoying the sun on some exotic island. My feeling is that I'll care as much as the players do. The only difference is they get $11 million a year and I have to live on CPP.


What a silly statement. Imagine they spend some time away from the game in the off season. What's your preference? Depression and misery? Jesus Christ you forget they're people.
 
There are definitely some tough decisions to be made here. I think how Tampa plays the rest of the playoffs may have some influence on some of those decisions. If Tampa goes on to win the cup, a strong argument can be made that we should stick to our guns - although there are some that want big changes made regardless and that's totally understandable.
Totally agree.
 
What a silly statement. Imagine they spend some time away from the game in the off season. What's your preference? Depression and misery? Jesus Christ you forget they're people.
Of course they should enjoy their time off. I just don't like seeing total failures smiling and basically telling all the fans, "We don't give a s***. We are millionaires and we don't have to suceed. We get the money regardless."
 
I dont think leafs need to overreact on this one... for me it was maybe the series with the 2 best team in the NHL or at least best team in the east.

Toronto was a ghost call away game #6
Or
Awful call on tavares goal interference or slewfoot on muzzin uncall on paul 2nd goal.
Or
Matthew deflected puck 2 inche side of the net game #6 Ot
Or spezza game 7

I know its suck leafs still losing but its the 1st time since2004 i can say leafs played the right way to win on playoff.
 
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Of course they should enjoy their time off. I just don't like seeing total failures smiling and basically telling all the fans, "We don't give a s***. We are millionaires and we don't have to suceed. We get the money regardless."

Regardless of whether or you're a fan or a player, millionaire or not, I sure hope everyone in Leaf Nation can take some time and smile over the next 365 days. No one has to live in constant misery and failure all the time. It's a kid's game.
 
I dont think leafs need to overreact on this one... for me it was maybe the series with the 2 best team in the NHL or at least best team in the east.

Toronto was a ghost call away game #6
Or
Awful call on tavares goal interference or slewfoot on muzzin uncall on paul 2nd goal.
Or
Matthew deflected puck 2 inche side of the net game #6 Ot
Or spezza game 7ball

I know its suck leafs still losing but its the 1st time since2004 i can say leafs played the right way to win on playoff.
Reality check; these were not the two best teams in the league, far from it. The interference call was the correct call. You can only make pick plays in basketball, not hockey or football. I'm predicting a total collapse next year and then 2 years Matthews only cares about padding his contract negotiations so he can get the hell out of Canada. I believe that anyone who thinks AM wants to be a Maple Leaf is smoking too much of that legal stuff.
 
Regardless of whether or you're a fan or a player, millionaire or not, I sure hope everyone in Leaf Nation can take some time and smile over the next 365 days. No one has to live in constant misery and failure all the time. It's a kid's game.
I think we are allowed a day or two to wallow in our misery.
 
Wow I really hope we never adopt this kind of mentality.

Guess all those goals we scored in the Jackets come back are all garbage goals then, because of probability and all that.

The team made an effort to come back when Nylander scored those 2 goals. I don't think you know what garbage time means in sports.

If you think I'm advocating a mentality where the players "stop trying" when probabilities indicate the game is out of reach, nothing could be further from the truth.

I am, however, saying that we as fans should be able to draw a clear distinction between the importance of the goals scored during game 5 and 6, and the ones scored late in games 2 and 4.

If the Columbus comeback never played out, yeah, you could call one late goal a garbage time goal. A comeback like that was literally unprecedented, so if you have to point to an exceptional event that never happened before in an important game, and probably never will again, then you don't really have an argument here. And reality check, the team was down by 3 goals, not 5.

Kind of shoots to shit the claim that the core didn't show up this playoffs, doesn't it? The issue is they got nothing out of anyone else...

To be clear, I am not posting these numbers to prove that the core "showed up". I am posting them to show the exact opposite.

Were they our most dangerous players overall? Yes. Did they do enough? No.

In 7 average regular season games, Matthews would score 10 points. Marner too. Excluding garbage time situations, they had just 11 combined. That's not good enough. This isn't Montreal all over again, but that's a really, really high bar to clear. But make no mistake, their production this series has to be seen as a disappointment.

Taylor Hall, destroyer of every team he has played for? No thanks.

Hall has 84 points in 115 games since that trade, Foligno has 19 in 82. He was cooked when we got him and he's well-done now. He pretty much stole $3.8M from Boston (I love it).

You don't have to like Hall, but he's a highly competent offensive LW and this team has needed some punch from the left side since.... (checks notes)..... back when Lupul was playing with Kessel.

The idea that he "destroys" teams is a joke. He carried New Jersey to the playoffs. He didn't make Buffalo any worse. He hasn't destroyed Boston.

I'm not here to defend Hall though. It's just obvious that he would have been a better move than the one Dubas made. A better player and better fit, at a lower cost. There was no downside to this.
 
Hall has 84 points in 115 games since that trade, Foligno has 19 in 82. He was cooked when we got him and he's well-done now. He pretty much stole $3.8M from Boston (I love it).

You don't have to like Hall, but he's a highly competent offensive LW and this team has needed some punch from the left side since.... (checks notes)..... back when Lupul was playing with Kessel.

The idea that he "destroys" teams is a joke. He carried New Jersey to the playoffs. He didn't make Buffalo any worse. He hasn't destroyed Boston.

I'm not here to defend Hall though. It's just obvious that he would have been a better move than the one Dubas made. A better player and better fit, at a lower cost. There was no downside to this.
Foligno trade obviously didn't work out.

Hall's problem is his talent doesn't match his production. He's turned into a JAG (just a guy).
 
Foligno trade obviously didn't work out.

Hall's problem is his talent doesn't match his production. He's turned into a JAG (just a guy).

Maybe. But "just a guy" would have been infinitely better for the series against MTL, than Foligno was. Whether that speaks to how good Hall is or how bad Foligno was, matters not.
 
Of course they should enjoy their time off. I just don't like seeing total failures smiling and basically telling all the fans, "We don't give a s***. We are millionaires and we don't have to suceed. We get the money regardless."
Then don't go to their Instagram pages genius.

I don't like the Kardashians. Guess how many of them I follow on social media.
 
How many jobs should be on the line? Pretty much all of them.

How many jobs are actually on the line? Likely, none, because in Toronto, there is no such thing as accountability. Not from the players, the coaches or the management.

Sadly, we as fans are in purgatory, though high numbers of fans here seem to be okay with that, for whatever reason. I think that's what two decades of endless failure does to a generation - normalizes it and makes it acceptable.
 
Except that core was at a cup final previously. Please stop with the excuses!

Tampa is weird. They missed the playoffs a bunch, built up their core, made the Conference Finals, then proceeded to miss the playoffs altogether the next two years. Then they came back, lost in the first round, then made the Cup Finals, then lost in the Conference Finals, and then missed the playoffs altogether again. Then they lost in the Conference Finals again before getting swept in the first round by Columbus.

Then they finally won B2B Cups.

Talk about a roller coaster. Like on one hand I guess Toronto media would be like "Well at least they made the Conference Finals 3 times and the Finals once" but then they would also be like "can they finally get over the hump and get it done"? Especially after that CBJ sweep... You have had a lot of your core guys together for how long and you can barely get a consistent performance out of them. Amazing one year, and then crap the next.

And they didn't really start having that success until Stamkos/Hedman were the age that Matthews/Marner are right now. They had one Cinderella run led by Lecavailier, St. Louis, and Roloson in there but for the most part, Tampa was outside of the playoff picture altogether until Stamkos/Hedman were 24. Then lost in the quarters once before going to the Finals at 25 and that team was mostly carried by their top 6/top pairing and a strong goalie performance (their depth was actually far worse than ours).

It took 5 years for Yzerman to get the team to the Finals (most of which was a lot of futility in there) and it was really sudden for the most part, and he inherited Stamkos/Hedman. If the Leafs can get over the hump in Year 5 of Dubas' reign like Tampa did with Yzerman, they could very well go on a similar run. I don't think this is a team that needs to figure out how to win 1 round, and then 2 rounds the next year, etc. This is a team that needs to figure out how to win a round and can probably manage to win a Cup, or at least make the Finals, in the same year.
 
I thought this was the last chance of the last chance of the last chance?
If they snake oil you all for 1 more time, what can be said.
Another chance because this time they competed? Yes they did compete and were the better team at times but remained wildly inconsistent with some of the same start on time, killer instinct issues.
Game 2: Terrible after winning game 1

Game 4: Somehow even worse than game 2 after retaking the lead.

Game 5: Down 2-0 right off the bat at home after a brutal Game 4. Manage to come back and win.

Game 6: Learned nothing. Down 2-0 again after last game. Manage to come back but this time lose in OT.

Game 7: At home, give up 1st goal, only score 1 and lose.
Wildly inconsistent.
 
There are definitely some tough decisions to be made here. I think how Tampa plays the rest of the playoffs may have some influence on some of those decisions. If Tampa goes on to win the cup, a strong argument can be made that we should stick to our guns - although there are some that want big changes made regardless and that's totally understandable.
This
 
Da deciding games were close .. games 6 and 7 could have gone either way .. but this CORE can't find a way to WIN .. it will continue to repeat itself in future if changes on perimeter continue .. for me we need to hire a hockey guy with mgmt experience to run team going forward .. a Tallon type with an eye for playoff talent .. then roster needs to be retooled .. me it would be Rielly, Willy and if possible JT who go .. do not resign Soup unless you trade Mrazek 1st and use Soup as a backup .. we need a GO TO tender hopefully a younger guy and then we need to bolster our defense .. develop Lily properly .. trade away Sandin for a needed piece like Jakob C .. and bring in forwards with speed/strength and power who can play playoff hockey .. da vision of SKILL only teams are regular season wonders but are sieve like in playoffs .. does not mean you can't have a Mitch or Johnny hockey type (every good team has a guy like that) .. we are paying ours way too much so that may require a change too
 
Then don't go to their Instagram pages genius.

I don't like the Kardashians. Guess how many of them I follow on social media.
Sorta not the point.Ignoring a situation does not make it disappear. Things will never improve until enough people let MLSE know that this is not acceptable.
 

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