How many jobs are on the line?

[mikeyz]

Agreed.

Let's get back to having gritty teams that are life and death to make the playoffs every year.

A gritty team would have a better chance of making it out of the 1st round then this current team does.

What do you want to see happen? The boy wonder go for lucky number 7?

 

[TheShape]

I’m not a rant guy, I chime in here and there and didn’t know where to put this so I made a thread for the first time.

See title. This organization is far too reactive and not proactive enough to seriously want to win. Everyone knew Babcock should have gone after the Boston series and yet they went into next season with the same old. Same with Freddie Andersen when he only had a year left on his contract when it was clear as day he was never going to get it together in Toronto. Instead, it was more of the same and dubas let an asset walk for nothing.

There should've been serious change after the debacle against Montreal last year and they ran it back with the same core which is insanity. They're burning Matthews' contract down with 2 years left, spinning our wheels and wasting time.

Management want to win, but so long as it’s with their guys. Why they were married to players like Kerfoot and Holl through the expansion draft is mind-boggling. This NBA model of paying the stars and going with barebones/interchangeable bottom half is never going to work.

This is a team who was given favourable matchups against Columbus and MTL and still found a way to lose. So I’m not buying into this narrative that they pushed a very beatable Tampa team and we should be proud. At some point the defending cup champs have to lose and this leafs team weren’t up to it. One team had killer instinct and the other talked about it.

The more I think about it the more I believe Keefe has to go, the respect in handshake line comments sums it all up for me. There is a serious loser mentality around this organization and too much focus on the intangibles as opposed to winning.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Keep everyone but a few changes needed.

Bunting Matthews Marner
Kerfoot _______ Nylander
Engvall Kampf Mikheyev
_______ _______ Blackwell
Spezza

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Giordano Liljegren
Sandin

_________
Campbell

Tavares doesn't bring 11m worth of playoff hockey. It's been 4 years and he bring the value of a 3.5m player.

Ita been 2 years with Campbell and he hasn't gotten the job done.

Simmonds and Clifford can't be trusted to play in the playoffs.

 

[seventieslord]

If you're Vancouver, do you take Nylander straight up for JT Miller?

He's younger, signed to a pretty good deal, and could arguably make sweet music with Pettersson. Miller has just one year left.

JT Miller is a swiss army knife first line forward. I look at that guy and the way he plays and all I can think is, "that's a player you win with".

Only one year left on his deal, hard to afford an extension. Which is why we get the flat-out better player in this deal.

Who says no to this? Leafs, or Canucks?

 

[Taluss]

Outside pov;
- Get Trotz
- Get Chychrun
- Maybe go after a goalie too?

I don’t think you all should blow it up. You just lost to an insanely talented team. I definitely wouldn’t consider it an embarrassing one

 

[AvroArrow]

Why stop there ? Change the jerseys, relocate the team, change the name

 

[HomelessPepper]

Dubas is in charge of the team. He decides who is a member of the Maple leafs and who coaches them.

If the Leafs won the cup this year, dubas would be getting an insane amount of praise for the team he assembled.

But we didn't. Instead we get our 6th first round loss in a row with dubas is a member of this team and 4th in a row with him as the gm.

When the Leafs fail, the gm fails. Dubas has failed 4 years in a row after inheriting a 105 point team with three of the best rfas we have ever had.

Ever single gm in the league would kill for the opportunity dubas received. While dubas is squandering what should be some of the best years for this team.

He is absolutely at fault. You can't blame the players when the person who is responsible for the players being their has had the same results for 4 years.

How many more first round loses before you are willing to accept that dubas needs to go? Will 5 be enough?

His job is to continue to improve the team until they win the cup. Period. A good GM should stay until he's no longer improving the team. By your logic, most GMs would be fired every 2-3 years...

Everyone is saying 4 years on Dubas, but they were only expected to win in 2 of those years. They should have won this year and last year. Columbus was the better team in the play-in year, and the Bruins were the better team the year before that.

If he continues to draft guys like Knies, develop guys like Lily and Sandin, and acquire guys like Bunting, he's probably improving the club.

I'd much rather Dubas than Burke or Lou.

 

[saffronleaf]

An embarrassing organization.

 

[Al14]

Fire all executives, managers, and coaches. And trade away every single player and prospect. Scorched earth.

Might as well miss the playoffs forever and ever. The NHL clearly does not want the Leafs to have any success. It's NOT an even playing field when they play any American based team. Simple as that.

MLSE should refuse to pay revenue sharing having being screwed over for 2nd round playoff profits for years !!!

 

[AvroArrow]

Might as well miss the playoffs forever and ever. The NHL clearly does not want the Leafs to have any success. It's NOT an even playing field when they play any American based team. Simple as that.

MLSE should refuse to pay revenue sharing having being screwed over for 2nd round playoff profits for years !!!

This. f*** the league, stick it to them like they do to us. They know we're the cash cow and they're milking it. Let them know, either call the game with integrity or f*** off.

 

[seventieslord]

I always said teams from Arizona to Vancouver were able to park the bus on the Leafs and the Lightning did so in the third. We just default to cycling on the perimeter and looking off bad shooting lanes without realizing the looks get worse and worse. Factor in the hesitancy to pull the trigger. Teams know how to play the Leaf when it really matters and we don't have a solid Plan B.

1000 times this. I don't think that anyone has, in so few words, managed to sum up my thoughts about the Leafs' last few playoff losses so effectively. This is the problem right here.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Trotz in Keefe out and roll…

Only if Dubas makes the necessary personnel changes to play a Trotz style game.

I doubt Dubas will make the required change in his philosophical approach to the game though.

Without that happening, I can’t see Trotz and Dubas successfully working together. It would be like Babcock and Dubas all over again.

 

[WF19]

Keep everyone but a few changes needed.

Bunting Matthews Marner
Kerfoot _______ Nylander
Engvall Kampf Mikheyev
_______ _______ Blackwell
Spezza

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Giordano Liljegren
Sandin

_________
Campbell

Tavares doesn't bring 11m worth of playoff hockey. It's been 4 years and he bring the value of a 3.5m player.

Ita been 2 years with Campbell and he hasn't gotten the job done.

Simmonds and Clifford can't be trusted to play in the playoff

Salary cap isn't 100 million. That's not possible. You can't make Tavares and Mrazeks contracts disappear

 

[HomelessPepper]

Laugh all you want but your hero Dubas is pretty damn good at sucking in the playoffs.

Perfect example of why arguing with people on the internet is pointless. I'm now being labeled a fanboy by not knee-jerking.

By the way, how did Lou's team do this year?

 

[MLSE]

Keep everyone but a few changes needed.

Bunting Matthews Marner
Kerfoot _______ Nylander
Engvall Kampf Mikheyev
_______ _______ Blackwell
Spezza

Rielly Brodie
Muzzin Holl
Giordano Liljegren
Sandin

_________
Campbell

Tavares doesn't bring 11m worth of playoff hockey. It's been 4 years and he bring the value of a 3.5m player.

Ita been 2 years with Campbell and he hasn't gotten the job done.

Simmonds and Clifford can't be trusted to play in the playoffs.

Tavares is the captain in the city he wants to play in. I'd like to see what he's worth but he's not going anywhere on a NMC.

 

[fahad203]

His job is to continue to improve the team until they win the cup. Period. A good GM should stay until he's no longer improving the team. By your logic, most GMs would be fired every 2-3 years...

Everyone is saying 4 years on Dubas, but they were only expected to win in 2 of those years. They should have won this year and last year. Columbus was the better team in the play-in year, and the Bruins were the better team the year before that.

If he continues to draft guys like Knies, develop guys like Lily and Sandin, and acquire guys like Bunting, he's probably improving the club.

I'd much rather Dubas than Burke or Lou.

If hes just being measured against drafting maybe he should take the role of a head scout

Lets not pretend like Knies is the next Eric Lindros. We dont know anything about him and neither has any of Dubas picks. Sandin has looked average

I guess we are going to ignore the lame trades he made for Kadri and Foligno
Keep signing players like mrazek Ritchi Vesey Simmonds when rest of the league is getting actual good players

Burke and lou didnt have the luxruy of 5 stars in this league with Matthews, Jt, Marner, Nylander and Reilly from day 1

Also why does it have to be comapred to them? I mean Florida has leap frogged us. How about getting a GM like them?

 

[saffronleaf]

not one material thing will change. leafs will run it back and fail to pass the 1st round again.

 

[CaptainCrunch17]

Nothing wrong with 1st round exits every year, might as well keep boy wonder at the helm to make it 7 in a row!

I always knew he would lead us to team records!

 

[BackPassChampions]

Raps fired the coach after he won coach of the year. If Lou's only smart move (as the Lou haters will tell you) was to hire Trotz and Trotz was the sole reason for the Isles success, you gotta make the change. If the GM can't work with Trotz, then he goes too.

Masai is a different beast. He isn’t afraid to make a move when he see’s an issue right in front of him.

 

[MLSE]

IMO Realistic changes inlude Kerfoot, Muzzin and Keefe.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I think you re-evaluate the coaching situation, considering some of the names available. You change up the goaltending and you bring in more north south big bodies in the middle 6. I don’t think any of 34 16 91 88 44 move.
35 36 8 3 15 65 47 25 account for 21m

 

[A1LeafNation]

Tavares is the captain in the city he wants to play in. I'd like to see what he's worth but he's not going anywhere on a NMC.

Team isn't winning anything when a 11m player gives us 4M worth of playoff hockey.

No amount of additional moves will change that.

It's been 4 years, there is nothing more to see here with him.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

Lol you don't trade a 60 goal scorer away, I'm just as pissed as anybody about this 6 year choke job but scorched earth is not the gameplan. 40 million in 4 forwards is just not going to work, we need a dynamic D-man to join the team, all around top line talented D, Nyalnder on the way out to make room for him.

Tavares will not go anywhere, Matthews scores 60 friggin goals not going anywhere, Marner is 100 point playmaker so Nylander is the odd man out for a change in team dynamics.

 

[AvroArrow]

Team isn't winning anything when a 11m player gives us 4M worth of playoff hockey.

No amount of additional moves will change that.

It's been 4 years, there is nothing more to see here with him.

Which 11M dollar player gave us 4m worth of playoff hockey ?

 

[Canadian Finn]

i say we just do a couple minor tweaks and next year will be a different story.

Plus, there are way more regular season games than play off games...so I'd rather be good in the regular season.

did you see AM34 lead the league in scoring? it was so lit.

best Leafs team every in history....can't wait for next year.