How many first round loses is Dubas allowed before he should be fired?

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How many first round loses is dubas allowed before he should be fired?


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How come this young Ranger team can win game 7s against superior teams but fans here make excuses for the Leafs “Oh Boston is tough” “Tampa are the back-to-back champs”
they've played 2 rounds of playoffs against a third string goalie or the back up, game 7 both times they got the 3rd stringer. Needed 7 games both times, they've gotten some good fortune. Tampa will make short work of them this round.
 
Have won 2 games 7's (one home, one away) this playoffs alone. Krieder is a beast in game 7s. We are p***yes in game 7s.
Rangers are going to be a tough out. Tampa will have their hands full.
 
Ok I'll clarify by expanding my statement for you ok? In the 9 seasons since the last 2 DNQ's in the OP the Lightning have failed to qualify once and been booted after the first round twice . Six times they have been to at least the conference final and three times they have been to the Cup final losing once , the final season is this current playoff where they are in the conference final so far . Hardly a comparisson to the Leafs who in the same time period have five first round exits , one play in loss =DNQ and three regular DNQ . Now does it seem wise to compare those two records as being anywhere close to equals ?
WHAT IS CONVENIENTLY BEING LEFT OUT here is the fact that Tampa was a good team through this whole period and the Leafs were in a 5 year rebuild. The comparison looks even better for the Leafs are consistently making the playoffs through subtraction of contracts and players. Meanwhile Tampa is up and down, making the playoffs winning rounds then missing.
 
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they've played 2 rounds of playoffs against a third string goalie or the back up, game 7 both times they got the 3rd stringer. Needed 7 games both times, they've gotten some good fortune. Tampa will make short work of them this round.

They actually faced the Pens #1 in game 7 but definitely got a break having to face their #3G after DeSmith burnt out in OT of game 1 and knocking Crosby out after going down 3-1. They also were not no-shows in game #7 in the Canes' barn where the Canes hardly lose.

Even so, when the shit hit the fan, they delivered. Perhaps winning those two rounds does for them what some predicted beating Tampa would do for the Leafs. Not writing them off as easily as you are.

Rangers are going to be a tough out. Tampa will have their hands full.

I hope so. Lots of the defenders of the blue and white will blow a gasket if the Rangers beat them. Go Rangers Go.
 
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WHAT IS CONVENIENTLY BEING LEFT OUT here is the fact that Tampa was a good team through this whole period and the Leafs were in a 5 year rebuild. The comparison looks even better for the Leafs are consistently making the playoffs through subtraction of contracts and players. Meanwhile Tampa is up and down, making the playoffs winning rounds then missing.
Yeah Tampa has had a tough go of it.
 
I look at it as a bad rookie season for KD. He added JT knowing the club probably needed D more but there was no such impactful D man to be had. Not an error at the time because the cap had been growing continuously and you can't manage your cap on the basis of "lets never spend in case a previously unseen event should occur". Bad luck, not bad Duber

I don't think there has been a prior situation where RFAs wanted to base their contracts on what UFAs were getting so that wasn't even a rookie mistake, more like a WTF moment. Dubas plan of signing Willie to a market comparable deal, then Marner and then Matthews was a sound strategy and if team Nylander had used any kind of a fair market evaluator its a different cap situation and the chain reaction that followed. Almost all of that was bad luck vs bad choices.

HIs real rookie GM mistake was still trying to cuddle up with Willie once that big expectation came out when he should have just dealt the guy which would have empowered the club with the Marner and Matthew negotiations. But what if Willie had agreed to $7M a year a week into the holdout? At what point should KD have assumed that it was going to the eleventh hour? Nylander didn't cave to accept a deal $500k more than he should have received' and Dubas didn't cave offering the maximum number he could stomach to get the team back asap. The damage can be reversed by trading Willie before they have to re-sign him under a new cap.
When Dubas took the Leafs GM role he was responsible for preparing a long term strategy that would produce a sustained cup run. If an impactful D man was a priority, you wouldn't simply spend the money on JT instead because that was available in the UFA market at the time. That's not bad luck, thats bad GM'ing. But perhaps JT was part of his strategy - was it a good one?

In isolation none of the amigo contracts were catastrophic, but none were well negotiated. Collectively there's a discussion about balancing the cap - JT comes back into play. I don't know the details of what happened between Nylander and Dubas, but when you lose one of your stars for a half a season it doesn't look good. And didn't the MM contract itself spur the RFA market adjustment?

The real rookie GM mistake was lack of a coherent plan. He tried to reinvent hockey for two years and then made a u-turn (not a good look). Four years later we don't yet have a team that is reliable come playoff time. We already had a reliable regular season team. The contracts are just one of many concerns along the way - what about Keefe as our new playoff contending coach?.

The damage that can't be reversed is the lost time. Now we have to achieve in spite of that. Maybe moving Willy is the right play but there is a lot more work to do than that.
 
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they've played 2 rounds of playoffs against a third string goalie or the back up, game 7 both times they got the 3rd stringer. Needed 7 games both times, they've gotten some good fortune. Tampa will make short work of them this round.

That's fine, but why after 6 seasons people still make the same excuses?
 
Yes but they play that same team in a best-of-seven that beat the other teams in a best-of-seven in their group, who themselves beat the best of the best-of-seven in their own group...

You're basically arguing against tournament formats, in their entirety, which is quite literally one of the worst sports takes I've ever read on any platform of reading.

The World Cup should be abolished too next, yeah?

What about Wimbledon?

All this to excuse the Toronto Maple Leafs of their playoff failures.

It's not the Leafs that are the problem, it's the tournament, OF COURSE!
No the World Cup shouldn’t be abolished playoff format is a tournament. You win you win the tournament no questions. Does it mean you are the best team? Absolutely not, does it mean your team sucks because they didn’t win, absolutely not. Leafs are a good team no need to fire everyone is the only point I’m trying to make. Play it again we would certainly have 4 different teams today, I’d bet on that.
 
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When Dubas took the Leafs GM role he was responsible for preparing a long term strategy that would produce a sustained cup run. If an impactful D man was a priority, you wouldn't simply spend the money on JT instead because that was available in the UFA market at the time. That's not bad luck, thats bad GM'ing. But perhaps JT was part of his strategy - was it a good one?

In isolation none of the amigo contracts were catastrophic, but none were well negotiated. Collectively there's a discussion about balancing the cap - JT comes back into play. I don't know the details of what happened between Nylander and Dubas, but when you lose one of your stars for a half a season it doesn't look good. And didn't the MM contract itself spur the RFA market adjustment?

The real rookie GM mistake was lack of a coherent plan. He tried to reinvent hockey for two years and then made a u-turn (not a good look). Four years later we don't yet have a team that is reliable come playoff time. We already had a reliable regular season team. The contracts are just one of many concerns along the way - what about Keefe as our new playoff contending coach?.

The damage that can't be reversed is the lost time. Now we have to achieve in spite of that. Maybe moving Willy is the right play but there is a lot more work to do than that.
Dubas has acquired impactful Dmen, in fact he's completely rebuilt the defence to the point where is it leaps and bounds better than it was when he took over. Seems strange to penalize him for not doing by signing UFA's, especially when you can't count on such players being available every summer, much less being able to count on them being willing to sign with us.

That's fine, but why after 6 seasons people still make the same excuses?
Is that what's happening? For me personally, I've been saying all along that we should have beaten CLB and MTL, no excuses. And Boston while losing to them was perhaps "more acceptable", the way we disappeared and gave it away at the end was not. So that's 4 years of really bad endings IMO, I'd even call it disgraceful.

This year though, different story. We played by far our toughest opponent, played hard all the way, did NOT fade away when push came to shove and playing like that, we would beat almost every team in the league.

So for the first time in a long time, I have zero problem with the way we played and see no reason to make any excuses at all, much less "the same excuses".

How's that?

No the World Cup shouldn’t be abolished playoff format is a tournament. You win you win the tournament no questions. Does it mean you are the best team? Absolutely not, does it mean your team sucks because they didn’t win, absolutely not. Leafs are a good team no need to fire everyone is the only point I’m trying to make. Play it again we would certainly have 4 different teams today, I’d bet on that.
100% agreed.
 
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How come this young Ranger team can win game 7s against superior teams
I'm not sure how you came to the conclusion that Pittsburgh was a superior team normally (especially without Crosby), and both Pittsburgh and Carolina lost their starting goalies (and at times, also their backup).
 
For me it comes down to expectations. I expected more from this team, you obviously didn’t expect as much.
I hoped for a Cup, sucks but we lost to the 2 time defending champs by a goal in 7 games and they may well 3peat. I’d say we were pretty close. We will have to see how this tourney shakes out.
 
No the World Cup shouldn’t be abolished playoff format is a tournament. You win you win the tournament no questions. Does it mean you are the best team? Absolutely not, does it mean your team sucks because they didn’t win, absolutely not. Leafs are a good team no need to fire everyone is the only point I’m trying to make. Play it again we would certainly have 4 different teams today, I’d bet on that.
So Tampa nor the Avs wouldnt be in the final 4 if played again? Ill take that bet
 
in 2017 our own fanbase was comparing us to the 2009-2016 Blackhawks who won 3 cups and made 4 final 4 appearances along with dominant reg seasons.

It's crazy we're only 2 years from the Blackhawk's total era of dominance and we've still not won a playoff series.

Leafs' core 4 has not worked. JT has been a disaster as a captain and as an 11M center. Nylander is a better player than him now or very close... heck JT isn't even a top 30 player in the league anymore. He's underwhelming in the reg season and outright disappointing in the playoffs.

Until JT has a series where he dominates start to finish and plays like an elite 1C, the leafs won win a 1st round series.

Goaltending isn't good enough with too much of the cap going to the big 4.

Depth does not contribute offense very often in the playoffs and have made some brutal mistakes in the past 2 years (sandin/Dermott/galchenyuk in 2021, and Kerfoot, Simmonds in 2022)

Keefe is not a flexible coach and is not one to tinker with the lines until its very late in a game/series.

16/34 will continue to face shutdown defenses and be swarmed. They had 9 and 8 pts in 7 games yet it wasn't enough.

We need JT to have a clutch series and be the best player on the ice next year if we want to bea tampa/flordia/boston. He gets softer matchups than those 2, has WN who is a very skilled player and in general is supposed to be a guy who drives offense and elevates his linemates.

Next year should be his last as a leaf if we're out in the 1st round.
 
Pictures speak louder than words. Its been 4 years.... People still can't see how big of a colossal F-up by Dubas? really?

FUH1JyHWIAEXAVE
 
If the Rangers win this series and somehow win the cup, they rebuilt in 3 years, lol, with their 2 highest picks being as impactful as Connor brown.

Crazy stuff occurring in NY. And it can continue occurring dependent on how long Shesterkin is in his prime and healthy.

He's going to end all-time a greater player than any player on the Leafs right now, along with playing the position in which an above-average performance can make the most impact on a team's chances to win. Giving above avg playoff performances game in and game out isn't easy but Shesterkin seems to be this generations Mcdavid for goalies
 
So Tampa nor the Avs wouldnt be in the final 4 if played again? Ill take that bet
Sorry for not writing clearly ( lifelong problem) Good Chance Tampa and the Avs would be there but certainly not a lock. I meant all 4 present teams wouldnt be there. Ofcourse a couple may be.
 
If the Rangers win this series and somehow win the cup, they rebuilt in 3 years, lol, with their 2 highest picks being as impactful as Connor brown.

Crazy stuff occurring in NY. And it can continue occurring dependent on how long Shesterkin is in his prime and healthy.

He's going to end all-time a greater player than any player on the Leafs right now, along with playing the position in which an above-average performance can make the most impact on a team's chances to win. Giving above avg playoff performances game in and game out isn't easy but Shesterkin seems to be this generations Mcdavid for goalies
Rangers up 4-2 end of the second
 
If the Rangers win this series and somehow win the cup, they rebuilt in 3 years, lol, with their 2 highest picks being as impactful as Connor brown.

Crazy stuff occurring in NY. And it can continue occurring dependent on how long Shesterkin is in his prime and healthy.

He's going to end all-time a greater player than any player on the Leafs right now, along with playing the position in which an above-average performance can make the most impact on a team's chances to win. Giving above avg playoff performances game in and game out isn't easy but Shesterkin seems to be this generations Mcdavid for goalies

I was told goal keeping was luck and shouldn't count towards your teams overall defensive prowess though
 

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