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How many first round loses is Dubas allowed before he should be fired?

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How many first round loses is dubas allowed before he should be fired?

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Dekes For Days said:
Cassidy has been with Boston for 6 years. By that timeline, Keefe would be here 3 more years.

And that's not even counting that the bigger reason he got fired is probably that they're entering a different phase with Bergeron potentially retiring and a bunch of injuries to start next year.
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He got out of the first round 4 years in a row.
He only missed that mark 2x in 6 years.

Keefe has already done it more.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
It is irrelevant. It's glorifying losing at a slightly different time - largely by people promoting a win or bust mentality.

Cassidy ended his 6-year Bruins tenure below 0.500 in the playoffs, for the record. All hail the playoff god!
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You aren't the god of what is or isn't irrelevant. Especially in the case where there is clear relevance.
 
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makbeer said:
You aren't the god of what is or isn't irrelevant.
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Never said I was - sometimes the irrelevancy is just obvious. You're trying to paint this picture where Boston is so hardcore that they had one 1st round loss and instantly banished a great coach because anything less than perfection is unacceptable. In actuality, that coach (that ended with a below 0.500 record in the playoffs) was given 6 years with a top team despite not winning, and it seems like the only reason he was fired now was because the team is entering a new phase with a rebuild/retool. Their GM is at 7 years and counting.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
Never said I was - sometimes the irrelevancy is just obvious. You're trying to paint this picture where Boston is so hardcore that they had one 1st round loss and instantly banished a great coach because anything less than perfection is unacceptable. In actuality, that coach (that ended with a below 0.500 record in the playoffs) was given 6 years with a top team despite not winning, and it seems like the only reason he was fired now was because the team is entering a new phase with a rebuild/retool. Their GM is at 7 years and counting.
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The facts are that in only 2 out of 6 seasons their coach failed to take them past round 1.
In his 2nd time failing to do so he was fired.

Our coach has failed to do so 3 times.

He is still the coach.

You are putting a lot of words in my mouth and then claiming irrelevancy.

The above stats are obviously relevant, they are literally comparing the same stat.
 
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After watching almost all of the playoffs so far, I think it is safe to say that the Leaf team, the way it is structured, has gone as far as they could possible go. They lack the heart, determination, grit, and sacrifice that it takes the advance. Look at Draisaitl, ya I know they lost in the Conference Final, but is there any Leaf that would have stayed in the game with the injury that he has? I think not.
 
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makbeer said:
The facts are that in only 2 out of 6 seasons their coach failed to take them past round 1.
In his 2nd time failing to do so he was fired.
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The goal is the cup, not getting smacked around in the 2nd round. The fact is that Cassidy got 6 years of failing in the playoffs before he was fired, and was only fired now because Boston is looking to enter a rebuild/retool. That isn't justification or support for firing Keefe after 3 years.
makbeer said:
You are putting a lot of words in my mouth
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They are your words:
"Boston has one first round exit and fires their coach.
You can see the difference in organizational cultures and what they are willing to accept in terms of results."

I just pointed out the words are wrong.
 
I think Dubas is largely learning on the fly here since he is still a relatively inexperienced GM, to an extent same goes for Shannahan in his role and then Keefe as well. Overall I personally feel he has done some good things, maybe better then many other GMs in the league, but results at some point have to come - the bottom line so to speak. While I would agree with most folks that this year has been different then years past where the team didn't 'choke' or play poorly in key moments, at some point he's gotta put a team together that has the ability to get it done and win in the Playoffs without excuses of 'Oh this year we improved and got 1 step closer'. Nope, enough of that, we have to actually get it done, particularly when you see so many other teams getting over the hump a lot sooner (winning 1 playoff round). I'm no expert, but losing in the 1st round for 6 straight years is almost a absurd statistical anomoly, just luck alone should have dragged them to 1 playoff round win. So while their luck may not be the best, there is definitely something not right with the way the team has been built or culture etc. up to this point.
 
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WildWolfdog said:
What was the salary cap at that time? At what age did kids get promoted from the minors at that time? What was the max contract length at that time? How did the Leafs do at that time?

Oh, right.
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Exactly the response you would expect on here.
 
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