How many first round loses is Dubas allowed before he should be fired?

[rocketman588]

How many players did the Hawks do that with again?

And I think you can put that theory to bed seeing as wonderboy Kyle couldn't figure out a way to get our best player under contract for more than 5 years anyway.

Not to mention we use more different types of loopholes then most of the other teams anyways.

Ltir was obviously the tampa move( that we were able to use this year anyways)

Idk how many other teams waived a player had his agent tell every other team in the league that he wouldn't sign for them if picked up and then we're able to acrew cap space by moving him down between games for 30 days lol.

We literally have the dude that wrote the cap we exploit it more then almost everyone

 

[keonsbitterness]

Not to mention we use more different types of loopholes then most of the other teams anyways.

Ltir was obviously the tampa move( that we were able to use this year anyways)

Idk how many other teams waived a player had his agent tell every other team in the league that he wouldn't sign for them if picked up and then we're able to acrew cap space by moving him down between games for 30 days lol.

We literally have the dude that wrote the cap we exploit it more then almost everyone

If the league or an arbitrator says it's legal, then any complaints about cap circumventions are sour grapes.

 

[Stamkos4life]

No the World Cup shouldn’t be abolished playoff format is a tournament. You win you win the tournament no questions. Does it mean you are the best team? Absolutely not, does it mean your team sucks because they didn’t win, absolutely not. Leafs are a good team no need to fire everyone is the only point I’m trying to make. Play it again we would certainly have 4 different teams today, I’d bet on that.

This is similar to another strawman the dubas fan boys like to set up. Basically no one is saying "blow it up" or "fire everyone".

We just want the ones responsible for the constant failure held responsible. That would involve the president and gm.

But far too many of you seem to be a dubas fan first, leaf fans second.

No player is un tradable. No coach, gm, president, scout, trainer, ect is bigger than the team.

 

[egd27]

You're STILL moving the damned goalposts. Now you're trying to restrict it only to teams CURRENTLY on this streak and saying "Look how bad they are; we should be better!" as if we didn't go through an even bigger drought before Shanny took over.

Again, there is NOTHING UNUSUAL about the Leafs' current loss streak when it comes to NHL history, except for one thing; it's rare that a team repeatedly makes the playoffs without winning a round over and over again. Usually the team either misses a few times (way more common) or start winning a round or two. So when people call this "historical futility", they ignore that the general pattern teams follow here is actually WORSE.

Not just rare, 6 times consecutively is unprecedented. Glad we could come to an agreement.

 

[Stamkos4life]

they've played 2 rounds of playoffs against a third string goalie or the back up, game 7 both times they got the 3rd stringer. Needed 7 games both times, they've gotten some good fortune. Tampa will make short work of them this round.

Duabs fan boys being 100% wrong about hockey.

You'd think after 4 years they would learn but that doesn't appear to be the case.

Care to call us "knuckle draggers" or "populists" again? Lmao

 

[ToneDog]

Not just rare, 6 times consecutively is unprecedented. Glad we could come to an agreement.

They are preparing the banner as we speak.

 

[ULF_55]

Should've been canned after Columbus. We missed the playoff because of his goalie debacle. He then follows it up with Montreal...LOL. ANd still kept his job.

The Montreal series just stinks ... 1 goal for $22mm.

Dubas probably could have scored 1.

 

[ULF_55]

This is similar to another strawman the dubas fan boys like to set up. Basically no one is saying "blow it up" or "fire everyone".

We just want the ones responsible for the constant failure held responsible. That would involve the president and gm.

But far too many of you seem to be a dubas fan first, leaf fans second.

No player is un tradable. No coach, gm, president, scout, trainer, ect is bigger than the team.

Yes this is the blame Dubas thread.

We do need a blame marner thread.
A blame Matthews, Kerfoot, Rielly, Campbell, Tavares,...

Already have a blame Nylander thread.

For me Keefe has to take a lot of it.
Maybe too much focus on winning in the regular season and not enough on preparation, but injuries hit them pretty hard this year.

 

[ACC1224]

Wouldn't it be nice if we could abuse the salary cap like the Hawks did?

Memory is a little foggy but I don’t recall the Hawks ever being sanctioned for any wrong doing.

 

[Confucius]

This is similar to another strawman the dubas fan boys like to set up. Basically no one is saying "blow it up" or "fire everyone".

We just want the ones responsible for the constant failure held responsible. That would involve the president and gm.

But far too many of you seem to be a dubas fan first, leaf fans second.

No player is un tradable. No coach, gm, president, scout, trainer, ect is bigger than the team.

If we got swept I may be with you but we went 7 and almost won against a very good team. Hard for me to consider it a reason to get rid of a GM, coach or president. Hey I agree we are not the best team but we are close.t

 

[WTFMAN99]

Memory is a little foggy but I don’t recall the Hawks ever being sanctioned for any wrong doing.

They adhered to the CBA.

 

[Shooter2x]

If we got swept I may be with you but we went 7 and almost won against a very good team. Hard for me to consider it a reason to get rid of a GM, coach or president. Hey I agree we are not the best team but we are close.t

It's the constants seen across 3 different difficulty levels that are the concern. If we go into tunnel vision and focus on this respect from being able to hang with Tampa for 7 games, we won't improve.

Even at that, it's more impressive Tampa was able to hang around for 7 games with us (core shut down for the most part, Vasi was average etc). Not the other way around. This series should have been ours when you play it back. Leafs just don't close it out for whatever reason.

I saw some Dubas fingerprints that ended up killing us even though the series momentum was mostly ours. The top 6 took minimal work for the current management to have, I think everyone can be in full agreement about this. So, how many years do they need to build a proper bottom 6 and get some D who box out? That's all they had to focus on for the last 3- 4 years and still can't figure it out.

 

[ACC1224]

They adhered to the CBA.

Don’t see why the OP should have an issue with that.

 

[Pi]

It's the constants seen across 3 different difficulty levels that are the concern. If we go into tunnel vision and focus on this respect from being able to hang with Tampa for 7 games, we won't improve.

Even at that, it's more impressive Tampa was able to hang around for 7 games with us (core shut down for the most part, Vasi was average etc). Not the other way around. This series should have been ours when you play it back. Leafs just don't close it out for whatever reason.

I saw some Dubas fingerprints that ended up killing us even though the series momentum was mostly ours. The top 6 took minimal work for the current management to have, I think everyone can be in full agreement about this. So, how many years do they need to build a proper bottom 6 and get some D who box out? That's all they had to focus on for the last 3- 4 years and still can't figure it out.

I think it’s painfully obvious that we need a good goalie to win in the playoffs.

There are years where our stars didn’t perform but the depth did and we got to 6,7 games against tough teams. There have been series where our depth didn’t perform but stars did but we still got to 7 games.

There have been series where both depth and stars performed and got to 7 games.

The one constant in every series we have played: our goalie has been worse than the goalie on the other side.

4/6 or 5/6 series we have played have been against future HHOF goalies (depends whether you think Holtby makes it or not). That’s tough to beat.

Vasilevskiy became Vasilevskiy again when the series was on the line. We were up against Rask, Price, Holtby in the other series and against Columbus, Korpisalo and Elvis stole the show.

Jack Campbell is not the answer in net.

We probably win a couple rounds in a different division but if our goal is the Cup, we weren’t going to win that this year and won’t win it till we have a goalie who is capable of stealing games not just staying in them.

I guarantee that the Rangers or Lightning are winning this Cup. Shesterkin and Vasy are 10x better than Avs goalies. When playoff games are close, the team with the better goalie usually wins.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Memory is a little foggy but I don’t recall the Hawks ever being sanctioned for any wrong doing.

New Jersey was for doing the exact same thing.

 

[Bomber0104]

New Jersey was for doing the exact same thing.

But not Chicago, to be clear.

Chicago won because of excellent value/cap-hit players with zero fear of trading expiring contracts for draft and prospect capital to reload themselves...

The Leafs, by contrast, seem to have a propensity of trading such capital away for shots at deep playoff runs that always result in first round losses.

Quite a differing approach to say the least.

 

[Leaf Fans]

But far too many of you seem to be a dubas fan first, leaf fans second.

There about as many as those as the far too many who want the Leafs to fail so they can fire the GM, coach and President.

 

[NylanderBros]

I did the painful thing and rewatched all those series clinching games in the last 5 years. Wow did our goaltending ever fall apart, let’s bring in an elite starter ASAP. I’m happy we aren’t giving Campbell the 5 million, I’m not buying that Dubas won’t pay that much for a goalie though. If the cost is 5 million for Campbell why not go a little bigger and grab the right guy for 7? No way Dubas goes into this season with an unproven goaltender. This is make or break I think for Dubas this season.

 

[mikeyz]

If we got swept I may be with you but we went 7 and almost won against a very good team. Hard for me to consider it a reason to get rid of a GM, coach or president. Hey I agree we are not the best team but we are close.t

“Almost won“ and “Got respect in the handshake line“

Lol. Come on man. enough of these moral victories.

 

[Rocky Flintstone]

The goal is to win the stanley cup, not the presidents trophy. If a teidam wins all 82 games but loses in the first round, they have lost.

Dubas was hired in 2014 and has been gm since 2018. As we all know, he has four consecutive first round loses (one was a playoff qualifier).

My question is, how many more first round loses do we need before you accept that dubas needs to be fired?

Is four wasted years enough? Or how about 5?

I'd say thus year will be the last shot to go somewhere.

 

[Dekes For Days]

But not Chicago, to be clear.

Yes, the NHL does apply rules quite inconsistently.

Chicago won because of excellent value/cap-hit players

Multiple cap circumvention contracts that are currently illegal did indeed give them an advantage.

The Leafs, by contrast, seem to have a propensity of trading such capital away

Not sure what you're talking about. Leafs have been quite cautious trading away draft/prospect capital.

 

[ACC1224]

But not Chicago, to be clear.

Chicago won because of excellent value/cap-hit players with zero fear of trading expiring contracts for draft and prospect capital to reload themselves...

The Leafs, by contrast, seem to have a propensity of trading such capital away for shots at deep playoff runs that always result in first round losses.

Quite a differing approach to say the least.

The whining about things that were completely within the rules at the time is a little childish. Using any loop holes to your advantage is smart management. I don’t understand why that is so upsetting, the Leafs have done it themselves.

 

[Gary Nylund]

“Almost won“ and “Got respect in the handshake line“

Lol. Come on man. enough of these moral victories.

He's just stating a fact- we went 7 and almost won against a very good team - and facts need to be considered when talking about the future of the team.

He didn't use the word "victory" and it wasn't a victory in any way. But almost beating TB is very different from the way we lost in years previous, that's just a simple fact. You're the one putting this idiotic "moral victory" label on it and with that, dismissing what he said. I know you're not the only one, it seems to be a popular thing to do these days but it's still idiotic.

 

[mikeyz]

He's just stating a fact- we went 7 and almost won against a very good team - and facts need to be considered when talking about the future of the team.

He didn't use the word "victory" and it wasn't a victory in any way. But almost beating TB is very different from the way we lost in years previous, that's just a simple fact. You're the one putting this idiotic "moral victory" label on it and with that, dismissing what he said. I know you're not the only one, it seems to be a popular thing to do these days but it's still idiotic.

So what's the difference between almost winning this year as opposed to years past? And don't act like Dubas fanboys aren't claiming a moral victory here. Because they certainly are.

I don't know about you, but I am so f***ing sick and tired of these 1st round playoff losses and posters coming on here thinking that the Leafs progressed in some way all because they got respect from Tampa in the handshake line.

And what exactly are we "close" to?

 

[Gary Nylund]

So what's the difference between almost winning this year as opposed to years past? And don't act like Dubas fanboys aren't claiming a moral victory here. Because they certainly are.

I don't know about you, but I am so f***ing sick and tired of these 1st round playoff losses and posters coming on here thinking that the Leafs progressed in some way all because they got respect from Tampa in the handshake line.

And what exactly are we "close" to?

Hard to take anyone seriously when they keep using the idiotic term "fanboy".