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Post-Game Talk: Hot Garbage, Leafs Lose 3-2 In OT

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The most frustrating thing about this team is when there star players feel like they don't have to try and just rely on their skill. Marner and Matthews are incredible players but it's nights like tonight that frustrate the living crap out of me. They need to have that killer instinct and bring it every night. Very rarely do you see the greats take days off. Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting them to light it up every night but for Tavares, even when he wasn't scoring, his effort level never dropped. Marner and Matthews tend to have these nights off here and there being our best players, that's a problem. Let's hope playoff time is a different story.
 
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someone wake me up when this team learns to play against tight checking; clogged neutral zone and when they are forced to dump the puck

if these guys get shutout again in the playoffs and offense doesn't show up and people here blame our goalie; I am gonna really lose my shit. was seriously pissed when people here were blaming Freddie in the CBJ series

This team needs to learn to play nasty games; if they just want to play EA Sports hockey quit NHL
 
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Gallagbi said:
Seems like they fatigue easier than the rest of our team. Wonder if it's skating related, Muzzin is just slow and Holl is a bit of a laboured skater even if speed isn't an issue
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Not sure honestly. There are nights where they are easily our best pairing (no question they are the most physical) but the B2Bs they have looked like chickens with their heads cut off out there.
Doesnt help that other teams hold, trip, run and hook em down without consequence nearly every game, but still.
 
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Rielly's job here isn't to have a tight gap though - the forwards are the forecheckers, he's there for insurance if someone gets through.



For Rielly to have a tight gap here, before the forwards both gamble, he would have had to be up with them near centre ice, which is terribly risky, just asking for a breakaway against. One guy has to be back playing it safe, and it's the dman.

Before the forwards both gamble, all 3 Leafs are in good position. In this situation one of Matthews/Marner can pressure the puck carrier, but the other one must stay back - they totally bif that by both pressuring the puck. In that half second the play goes from "the 3 of us are in great position to defend the rush" to "potential 2-on-1". But even then, Matthews still could have saved it by simply back-checking hard, but he was lazy in a crucial moment.

Blaming Rielly here is blaming him for not pulling out some magic to save boneheaded plays by the forwards. The real issue is the boneheaded plays by the forwards. You want him to have a tight gap here ... that means him being up in the neutral zone during the Flames breakout, which is just
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He shouldn't be ontop of someone, but he needs to take back ice so he can match some speed and adjust as needed to play it properly . He's flat footed instead and too deep in his end. He can't charge the redline, but needs to come out to at least above the Blueline before retreating. I don't see him as in proper position for either a 2on2 or 2on1 because of it.

Last I'll say on it, because we won't agree, but I do understand the point you're trying to make about the other failures putting him in a tough spot.
 
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ryno23 said:
playoff lines

Marner - Matthews - Gally
Hyman - Tavares - Nylander
Mik - Foligno - Simmons
Thornton - Kerfoot - Spezza

Nash and Robertson would be next up
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I think Hyman plays on the top page line. You need to get the offense they provide.

I see Foligno and Galchenyuk altering between and 2nd and 3rd. I would also find a spot for Nash. That is how I would lineup the team anyways.
 
The pp...sigh.

So the top 2 lines had a couple of dominate shifts just before the pp, so why not just try rolling those 2 lines with the same dmen they just dominated with. The players are in sync and other players like Holl, Brodie, Dermott and tonight even Mik get in and bring a different element. Both lines bring something different in their approach. Why is is set in stone we have to load up or have 4 forwards. It can't be any worse can it?

Love Marner but his decision making when shooting the puck had some head shaking moments tonight and in recent games. That OT shot 1-3 alone was bizarre amongst other decisions earlier in the game. Just be Robin, we already have a Batman.

I have been hard on Tavares but the last few games without Nylander and with two hustling go in the corners and battle kinda players, I think he has played some of his best hockey this year. Just suits his style so much better imo.

Rielly has seemingly forgotten some of the basics of being a dman like taking away the pass and letting the goalie take the shooter. He keeps doing the opposite....I dont get it, he is a freaken pro for gosh darn it sakes. His own partner is amazing at it and yet he doesnt seem to notice.

Matthews...not a great game but its him so, he is allowed to have an off night.

Havn't seen enough of Rittich to form much of an opinion. He played good enough for us to have a chance so thats good.

Really hate seeing our guys get snowed, pushed around and just zero push back, going back several years now. I dont need to see a fight but geez, stand up for each other no? Hello Foligno? I would like to see Sabourin more, guy can fight and laid a couple good hits, can he play?

Boys looked tired and it makes sense they would be. It's a tiring season. Onward and upward.
 
Avilaj07 said:
The most frustrating thing about this team is when there star players feel like they don't have to try and just rely on their skill. Marner and Matthews are incredible players but it's nights like tonight that frustrate the living crap out of me. They need to have that killer instinct and bring it every night. Very rarely do you see the greats take days off. Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting them to light it up every night but for Tavares, even when he wasn't scoring, his effort level never dropped. Marner and Matthews tend to have these nights off here and there being our best players, that's a problem. Let's hope playoff time is a different story.
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All players have off games.
 
I'm not going to overreact, we were without Nylander, Spezza, Foligno, Campbell, but the effort level and decision making by some players is really disconcerting. The power play is an absolute disaster. Simmonds was horrific and I still don't understand Thornton in the top 6. Once again, Holl and Muzzin were terrible and of course Rielly had his usual brain farts. I really think the season is taking a toll on some of our top players, too many games in too few nights. We need to recharge our batteries and start playing like we can. I think it's going to happen once we get everyone back and Keefe stops doing his impression of Babcock playing people because of their previous status (Thornton has to sit).
 
ponder said:
Rielly's job here isn't to have a tight gap though - the forwards are the forecheckers, he's there for insurance if someone gets through.



For Rielly to have a tight gap here, before the forwards both gamble, he would have had to be up with them near centre ice, which is terribly risky, just asking for a breakaway against. One guy has to be back playing it safe, and it's the dman.

Before the forwards both gamble, all 3 Leafs are in good position. In this situation one of Matthews/Marner can pressure the puck carrier, but the other one must stay back - they totally bif that by both pressuring the puck. In that half second the play goes from "the 3 of us are in great position to defend the rush" to "potential 2-on-1". But even then, Matthews still could have saved it by simply back-checking hard, but he was lazy in a crucial moment.

Blaming Rielly here is blaming him for not pulling out some magic to save boneheaded plays by the forwards. The real issue is the boneheaded plays by the forwards. You want him to have a tight gap here ... that means him being up in the neutral zone during the Flames breakout, which is just
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No problem here by Rielly is he doesn't recognize that Matthew is about 2 strides behind Lindholm but could have put pressure on it. Reilly shouldn't have skate toward Lindholm and should have stayed with Gaudreau. Rittch knows he has the shooter and with Matthews applying back pressure he can square him up.

Reilly then does some sort of half knee down to stop the pass and it was brutal.

Reilly doesn't know how to play 2 on 1's and it has been evident for this whole season.
 
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Teeder Keon said:
Ha ha ha ha ha

tonight’s game


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ponder said:
For all those blaming Rielly for that OT goal, it was clearly, clearly just a terrible defensive effort by Matthews and Marner:



Garbage/useless gambling in the neutral zone, both forwards gambling on the puck carrier so unnecessarily. Then Matthews stops skating when, even after the bad gambling, he could have caught up with Gaudreau.
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And then Rielly took the man instead of the pass which he does often. All around terrible by all 3 players
 
People can be frustrated about losing 2 in a row but not every game has to be perfect. Leafs still have 21 of a possible 24 points in their last 12 games, they have showed up for 10 of those games on time and outplayed the opponent.

Past two games are garbage but I figure they are ready for the playoffs to start as much as we are. All the good teams are losing to bad teams these days.

This team really misses Nylander's skating. He was a one man trap breaker. You don't need to dump the puck when he can just carry it for you.
 
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Gallagbi said:
He shouldn't be ontop of someone, but he needs to take back ice so he can match some speed and adjust as needed to play it properly . He's flat footed instead and too deep in his end. He can't charge the redline, but needs to come out to at least above the Blueline before retreating. I don't see him as in proper position for either a 2on2 or 2on1 because of it.

Last I'll say on it, because we won't agree, but I do understand the point you're trying to make about the other failures putting him in a tough spot.
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Yeah, agree to disagree I guess. I can see the argument for him being a touch higher there, before the forwards both gamble, but at the same time when both forwards are back and in good position playing it safe is very reasonable. The big issue is both forwards inexplicably gambling, then Matthews not even back-checking after screwing up - IMO Rielly's positioning before they gamble is at worst a very minor issue in comparison.
 
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CantLoseWithMatthews said:
Brodie is a pretty safe choice. You could also try out Holl or Sandin
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I'd try Holl.

Apparently Brodie doesn't prefer to shoot the puck. He's pretty much pass only.

If you only want a pass option, I'd go Brodie. Can't hurt more than Mo. If you want dual threat, I'd go Holl. However with Holl down right now I don't know how he'd react to PP time.

Brodie with how well he's played, would be nice to reward him.
 
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