Has Cale Makar already surpassed a prime Erik Karlsson in just his first 4 years?
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KingDeathMetal
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Yes and it's not particularly close. Makar's going to be a 100 pt player real soon - was almost this year. He's a better defensive defenseman than Karlsson ever was, and more gifted offensively. Yes, he plays on a better team, but Makar is so talented he'd be putting up close to the same numbers on any team he plays. He makes his team better, too.
And please don't give me this crap about "EK was top 10 in points!" When, early 2010s when the leading scorer maybe had 100 pts if they were lucky? The league's overall talent level is significantly better than even just 5-10 years ago. Scoring is up, so it's harder for a d-man to crack the top 10 scorers.
Not only do I take Makar all day every day over prime Karlsson, I take Adam Fox too. These new generation d-men are on a whole different level.
And please don't give me this crap about "EK was top 10 in points!" When, early 2010s when the leading scorer maybe had 100 pts if they were lucky? The league's overall talent level is significantly better than even just 5-10 years ago. Scoring is up, so it's harder for a d-man to crack the top 10 scorers.
Not only do I take Makar all day every day over prime Karlsson, I take Adam Fox too. These new generation d-men are on a whole different level.
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I'm not sure how accurate that statement can be. Erik Karlsson was far and beyond the best offensive weapon for the Senators. Cale Makar is one star among a bunch containing guys like Mackinnon, Rantanen, Kadri, and a strong defense to play the rest of the way.
It's like comparing apples and oranges. Prime Karlsson with he current Avs team would be a beast! Let's see if Makar can avoid injuries, as opposed to Karlsson.
It's like comparing apples and oranges. Prime Karlsson with he current Avs team would be a beast! Let's see if Makar can avoid injuries, as opposed to Karlsson.
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Lmao, top 3 or 4 in points actually.led his team for 4-5 years.
Terrible take on why the league didn’t have 100 point scorers. Ever heard of Patrick Kane, Crosby, OV. Malkin, list goes on and on.
KingDeathMetal
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Slow down and read. Did I say there were no great players? No. But there are so many more ELITE, superstar level talents in 2022 than there was in the mid-2010s, and I don't see how that's even a debate. The league hasn't had this much young, elite talent since the early 90s.
Prime Karlsson in 2022, with points adjusted, would have needed considerably more points to approach Top 10 in scoring today.
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Yep there are great players in every era, including the dead puck era.
You said there were no players capable of 100 points, when scoring was obviously down. EK65 was 5 points from an Art Ross and led league in assists, first time since Bobby Orr.
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Cale Makar was drafted to a last place team and is outscoring Nathan Mackinnon, Mikko Rantanen and Nazem Kadri on this current Avs playoff run and is still on his ELC. He's a star that stands out on a roster full of stars.
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I believe this is the 3rd time you've said this (that I've seen anyway) and it just keeps getting better
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If Colorado wins the cup, Makar will win the Smythe and deservedly so.
It's been interesting watching the finals though. Mackinnon has been pretty invisible and to a lesser extent, so has Makar.
Neither one of them were really effective offensively in game one. In game two they both had a nice chance at the end of the first together but beyond that I barely noticed Mackinnon. As for Makar, he came on at the end but it wasn't one of his better games.
But that's the thing with great players, they can have a mediocre or even a "bad" game and still pot a couple of points.
What's really scary for Tampa is that Colorado has been the better team WITHOUT their two best players playing at their best.
It's been interesting watching the finals though. Mackinnon has been pretty invisible and to a lesser extent, so has Makar.
Neither one of them were really effective offensively in game one. In game two they both had a nice chance at the end of the first together but beyond that I barely noticed Mackinnon. As for Makar, he came on at the end but it wasn't one of his better games.
But that's the thing with great players, they can have a mediocre or even a "bad" game and still pot a couple of points.
What's really scary for Tampa is that Colorado has been the better team WITHOUT their two best players playing at their best.
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What game did you watch? Makar had an exceptional game in his own zone and scored 2 goals.
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The whole team stomped Tampa. Makar did not stand out.
Yes, he scored two goals. As i said, superstars can play medicore games and still produce.
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People arguing Karlsson don’t know what it’s like to be good in his own zone. Just offensively and not really goals either
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Why does it seem you dislike Makar? Seems like every post of yours is a bit passive aggressive and is some attempt to minimize/discredit his performances. He didn't have, by any metric, a mediocre or bad game. Did Makar hurt you or something? What gives?
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Your a real hater if you didn’t think Makar stood out! He was the best player on this ice.
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I think Makar is superb. I think he could turn out to be the best blueliner since Lidstrom. He's not at his peak yet and will improve. I like him a lot.
But thread titles like this invite a pushback. He has to prove it. He hasn't done this yet. And when I hear people talk about how awesome he's been in the finals... I'm watching these games too man. He really hasn't been that great. YES his stat line tonight will look fantastic. But he really didn't pour it on until late in the game. He hasn't really been the player he can be.
And btw, I really like Mackinnon too. He's been invisible.
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I think we are witnessing the most talented NHL defenseman since Bobby Orr.
It's too early to tell if he can be as well rounded and be effective for as long as Niklas Lidstrom, but in terms of talent alone, Makar is a really rare specimen.
It's too early to tell if he can be as well rounded and be effective for as long as Niklas Lidstrom, but in terms of talent alone, Makar is a really rare specimen.
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If Makar wins the cup this year and the Conn Smythe, thats ummm something a prime Karlsson has never accomplished.
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Prime Karlsson is like the 4th best player on these Avs. He wouldn't stand out on this team.
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