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Proposal: Hampus Lindholm for Brad Marchand, Adam Mcquaid & Charles McAvoy

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mytduxfan said:
Lol... I love how fans quickly shift opinions about players once a deal is made.

Pre-trade:

EDM fans: "Hall!!!!!!.................. for Larsson!!!!!!!!!!!!! :laugh::laugh::laugh: Get real. Hall is the #1 LW in the league right now. You don't move a guy who drives offence and can produce 70-80 points a season for a weak top pairing D-man in Larsson. Elite #1D or gtfo".

Post-trade:

EDM fans: "Well, you know. Hall had his issues. I mean, he hasn't repeated his 80 season and he's very inconsistent. He's also terrible on the back-end. Meanwhile, Larsson is only getting better. Despite only scoring 18pts last season, EDM has a more offensive system then NJ. So I'm sure he'll get 40-50pts next season. True #1D in the making, that's for sure."

:laugh:

Larsson is extremely high risk. He certainly doesn't scream "future elite #1D". With that said, EDM more then overpaid.

P.S. We don't want Pul at the price of Lindholm. Pul is just a prospect. Just because you're infatuated with him because he dropped from 3rd OA in the rankings to 4th OA, doesn't mean he's worth as much as you think.

P.P.S. FWIW, I'd have taken Dubois at 3rd OA too. Don't rate Pul as highly as most. Certainly not in Laine territory.
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So you quote a non-Oiler fan and generalize an entire fanbase with your silly little narrative here and LOL at Larsson being extremely high risk, it shows that you know nothing about the player but I digress.

You could have just stuck with "Don't want to deal Lindholm for Pulju" without the needless rant.
 
PsychoDad said:
Lol, I like how Anaheim fans are disgusted by this offer, but as a Bruins fan - hell no.
Marchand is a unique player, a top10 left wing in the NHL, AND his goals come from even strength and PK - he is the best PK scorer in the league BY FAR. Adding a known winner, a tough pos in McQuaid AND our best D prospect with very legit upside - I don't care if your boy is Nicklas mfking Lidstrom, you don't laugh about offers like that.
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You are completely ignoring context for the sake of making a snide remark. If you actually read this thread like you say you did, then you know Anaheim fans respect Marchand's talent and that this deal is good value IF he had a longer contract. As it stands, Lindholm is a 22 year old that's expected to become an elite defender. When the main piece from Boston is ONE YEAR of Marchand, yes the deal IS laughable.
 
a flat hamster said:
You are completely ignoring context for the sake of making a snide remark. If you actually read this thread like you say you did, then you know Anaheim fans respect Marchand's talent and that this deal is good value IF he had a longer contract. As it stands, Lindholm is a 22 year old that's expected to become an elite defender. When the main piece from Boston is ONE YEAR of Marchand, yes the deal IS laughable.
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The value would be a lot better if Marchand was on a long term deal, but even then it's still a no from where I'm standing.
 
McCupofOil said:
So you quote a non-Oiler fan and generalize an entire fanbase with your silly little narrative here and LOL at Larsson being extremely high risk, it shows that you know nothing about the player but I digress.

You could have just stuck with "Don't want to deal Lindholm for Pulju" without the needless rant.
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It's the same **** you've all been spewing since the trade. Own it.

"Don't want to deal Lindholm for Pulju"
 
heusy_79 said:
The value would be a lot better if Marchand was on a long term deal, but even then it's still a no from where I'm standing.
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Yep. Keeping a number one defenseman around is a higher priority than adding forward depth. No one on the roster looks capable of stepping into Lindholm's shoes if he leaves. At best we have a couple prospects that might have a small shot of doing that a few years from now.
 
PsychoDad said:
Lol, I like how Anaheim fans are disgusted by this offer, but as a Bruins fan - hell no.
Marchand is a unique player, a top10 left wing in the NHL, AND his goals come from even strength and PK - he is the best PK scorer in the league BY FAR. Adding a known winner, a tough pos in McQuaid AND our best D prospect with very legit upside - I don't care if your boy is Nicklas mfking Lidstrom, you don't laugh about offers like that.
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Yeah, ok...Trading a young cornerstone of their defense is worth a rental. Get out of here...
 
Personally I consider Marchand as one of the best 2-way players in the league, but the fact is he is a rental and (let's be) reality is that Ducks can't afford to offer him a proper deal and will lose him as UFA.
I wouldn't even consider trading Lindholm for the OP package, it sets Ducks back and as mentioned, value is not good if you take some time to consider.
 
mytduxfan said:
It's the same **** you've all been spewing since the trade. Own it.

"Don't want to deal Lindholm for Pulju"
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No rational Oiler fan ever referred to Hall as the best left winger in the game, nor do I believe that many (if any) Oiler fans thought we would get an elite #1D (Subban, etc) for Hall. In fact, I think a lot of Oiler fans would have said they expected one of our forwards (non-McDavid) for a potential #1 defenseman, and that's what we got. Some of us even thought Hall was probably untouchable. He wasn't obviously. Most were expecting more for Hall, that's definitely true, but it doesn't make your argument any more correct. Hyperbole doesn't help you make your point.

And yes, we have been defending the Hall trade. It happened, we might as well look at the bright side of it. There's no point in staying angry about it, especially when our team is looking to have improved by making the trade and signing a replacement. We lost in value, but gained a good player that fills a need and signed a replacement for Hall. So sue us for thinking positively.
 
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Flamesjustwin said:
Maybe in another couple years but in no way on a team with a boatload of offensive weapons does Lindholm's numbers represent a #1 D man. Is Dougie Hamilton a stud #1 D man right now because Hamilton > Lindholm?
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No to Hamilton > Lindholm.

It's likely closer than Ducks fans are willing to admit. He's a great young defender and they should be high on him though.
 
Static said:
Marchand is a great player, but he's also in the last year of his deal and Anaheim would lose him next year.

Easy pass.
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I agree that it's not enough value all things considered. But the Ducks are very much in "now" mode, which gives Marchand more value to them than to a lot of teams. I think it depends on how much value you place on McAvoy. He looks like a good one.

Still, I think Lindholm's combination of current and future value is too high to go anywhere close to this deal.
 
ManofSteel55 said:
No to Hamilton > Lindholm.

It's likely closer than Ducks fans are willing to admit. He's a great young defender and they should be high on him though.
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Ok, Hamilton has better offensive numbers, is more physical, plays on a lesser team, and plays less minutes. So your argument that Lindholm is better is what? That you hate the Flames?
 
Flamesjustwin said:
Ok, Hamilton has better offensive numbers, is more physical, plays on a lesser team, and plays less minutes. So your argument that Lindholm is better is what? That you hate the Flames?
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So you've exhausted all features of what makes a defenseman good/superior/useful to a team with offensive numbers, physicality, quality of team, and time on ice and limited all other reasons for thinking Lindholm may be a superior defenseman to, oh...well he just hates the team Hamilton plays for...there's no other logical explanation. Not one. Jeez. You've left out a lot of variables buddy. A lot.
 
Flamesjustwin said:
Because Anaheim has nobody as good as Brodie or Gio has nothing to do with it. lol.
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Lindholm is my favourite Duck but I think he's gotten a tad overrated on these boards this summer, I don't think he's a #1 yet as he has not yet played like a #1 in the #1 role for an extended period of time. However, people think he's better than Hamilton because of his elite defensive IQ. Vatanen has better offensive numbers than Lindholm but is not as good of a defenseman because his defensive ability isn't close to what Lindholm's is and neither is Hamilton. Lindholm's offensive game is raw, but you could see the strides he made last year and his flashes of skill that he hadn't shown before. He has all the potential to be a #1, hopefully as soon as next season.
 
Flamesjustwin said:
Because Anaheim has nobody as good as Brodie or Gio has nothing to do with it. lol.
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So if we're to believe this logic, what you essentially came here to say is that if Lindholm is the best defenseman Anaheim has, then Calgary has (at least) three defensemen who are better. So did you just come here to brag or what?
 
Flamesjustwin said:
Because Anaheim has nobody as good as Brodie or Gio has nothing to do with it. lol.
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Lindholm has better advanced stats than your guys and those are never wrong, so infact, calgary has nobody as good as Lindholm.

There. Are you done derailing this thread for no reason?
 
The Toews Era said:
Didnt you hear? Marchand is a top 3 lw in nhl and better than panarin
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3rd in goals for LW in 2015-16 (only Ovechkin & Benn did better), you sir are correct... And more goals AND more points - in less games - than the guy you have as your nickname, @ a cap hit that is 42% of Mr. Incredible (58 points for 10.5mill? Ouch)...
 
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