Proposal: Hampus Lindholm for Brad Marchand, Adam Mcquaid & Charles McAvoy

[Opak]

Lol, I like how Anaheim fans are disgusted by this offer, but as a Bruins fan - hell no.
Marchand is a unique player, a top10 left wing in the NHL, AND his goals come from even strength and PK - he is the best PK scorer in the league BY FAR. Adding a known winner, a tough pos in McQuaid AND our best D prospect with very legit upside - I don't care if your boy is Nicklas mfking Lidstrom, you don't laugh about offers like that.

I honestly can't tell whether this is sarcasm or not, but I guess I'll reply anyway.

Marchand is a great player, sure, but a package centered around a rental winger just isn't an acceptable return for a 22-year-old #1 defenseman. And even if Anaheim wanted to extend him, they most likely can't do so due to budget reasons. Marchand would be a pure rental for the Ducks, which means they would never make a deal like this.

McQuaid doesn't hold much value to the Ducks, he'd basically be a cap dump and we don't want to take any extra salary back. McAvoy is a good D prospect, but we have tons of good D prospects in our system already, so he just doesn't fit our needs at all.

 

[Vipers31]

Lol, I like how Anaheim fans are disgusted by this offer, but as a Bruins fan - hell no.
Marchand is a unique player, a top10 left wing in the NHL, AND his goals come from even strength and PK - he is the best PK scorer in the league BY FAR. Adding a known winner, a tough pos in McQuaid AND our best D prospect with very legit upside - I don't care if your boy is Nicklas mfking Lidstrom, you don't laugh about offers like that.

It's big assets for sure, but you just do not move a 22-year top pairing and potential franchise defender for a package where the far biggest piece is beyond your control 10 months from now. One probably should not laugh, because it's big, big assets, but at the end of the day it still has no chance at being accepted, despite the huge value.

 

[kdog82]

Bruins wouldn't do it. Bruins would lose their best winger and whats looking like a future #1 stud dman.

 

[Ducks in a row]

Hampus Lindholm for Brad Marchand, Adam Mcquaid & Charles McAvoy!

Flame away!

So Ducks trade Lindholm for Marchand who is a UFA after this coming season and then be gone because of his salary demands leaving us with McQuaid a 29 year old defenseman we don't want and McAvoy a defenseman prospect. Obvious this proposal is meant to anger Ducks fans.

Anaheim Ducks say yes I would think.

Think again.

somehow a 28 year old winger fits in better with Perry and Getzlaf than a 22 age #1 no?
Not like Shea Theodore and Montour couldn't take bigger rolls in the team/make the team and just keep Fowler instead of trade him. Larsson too.

#1D >> LW

Montour is known more for his offense and has no NHL experience. Theodore has limited NHL experience. Larsson is a Swedish defenseman who has 1 AHL game of playing in a North America league. Montour should be playing in the AHL and be a possible call up and Theodore could play on the 3rd defense pair. Larsson should be playing in the AHL to get used to playing North American hockey.

I think this proposal will be much more reasonable for Anaheim, if they're giving up Lindholm.

Anaheim

Krug
2017 1st round draft pick
Charles McAvoy
Brad Marchand

Boston:

Hampus Lindholm

No not interested.

Lol, I like how Anaheim fans are disgusted by this offer, but as a Bruins fan - hell no.
Marchand is a unique player, a top10 left wing in the NHL, AND his goals come from even strength and PK - he is the best PK scorer in the league BY FAR. Adding a known winner, a tough pos in McQuaid AND our best D prospect with very legit upside - I don't care if your boy is Nicklas mfking Lidstrom, you don't laugh about offers like that.

Marchand is UFA after this coming season. McQuaid ain't that great. McAvoy is a defenseman prospect Ducks have a good blueline prospect pool. That offer is terrible for us. Someone who makes a offer like that for Lindholm should be laughed at for how bad it is and if it was for a established Lidstrom quality defenseman oh man.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Marchand is nice but we'll never be able to afford him after his contract.

McQuaid is unneeded

And mccsvory may be decent prospect but weven have a ton of defensive prospects and he's someone wed hope could become a player of Lindholm's caliber. Why not just keep lindholm, plus money doesn't work

 

[number72]

Ducks need to add a pick for a player like Marchand

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Ducks need to add a pick for a player like Marchand

Ya a #1 dmen + a pick for 1 year of Marchand good asset management

 

[MAHJ71]

That isn't what Anaheim is getting, though.

They are getting one year of a 35+ goal scorer, a solid top 6D, and a (debatable) blue chip D prospect. I think it's more accurate to call him a very good D prospect, at this point. But also, it's a D prospect in an Anaheim prospect pool that is already deep defensively. McAvoy joins Theodore, Larsson, and Montour.

Conversation over.

Only thing that might continue it would be Marchand resigning for several years - but that also probably wouldn't happen at a rate the Ducks would do.

 

[BB88]

This is not about fair value, you just don't trade your #1D's, especially ones that are 22y.

You don't compete without one in this league.

 

[nmbr_24]

I understand why people don't want to trade Lindholm and they shouldn't but this offer is nothing to laugh at either.

 

[McDonald19]

What? That's a great offer but I can understand why the Ducks don't do it. Marchand is criminally underrated.

On another note, how are the Ducks going to be able to sign Lindholm and Rackell? Aren't they already pushing their internal budget? They seem kind of screwed, no?

Looks like focus may be shifting to bridge deals, with Hampus getting a huge extension summer of 2018.

 

[McDonald19]

Bruins wouldn't do it. Bruins would lose their best winger and whats looking like a future #1 stud dman.

Best winger who is a UFA in a year and a question mark for a 22 year old number one D.

Don't think Boston is the team saying no.

 

[wintersej]

Best winger who is a UFA in a year and a question mark for a 22 year old number one D.

Don't think Boston is the team saying no.

I think both teams say no, honestly. From Boston's perspective, Marchand is not a rental, for Anaheim, he is. Changes the value significantly for both sides and in the opposite direction for what makes a trade work. You deal guys that have more value elsewhere (because of depth at a position, or your place in the standings), not less value elsewhere.

In the end, a futures deal for Fowler makes more sense for Anaheim, by far, obviously.

 

[McSuper]

While I read this thread I have seen fans voice opinions both ways and while the OP does have some solid pieces in there Hampus Lindholm contract has not been mention while Marchand contract has . Remember Lindholm may be asking for an crazy contract and if he doesn't get what he wants he could go but home to play . Unlikely but if you are going to mention a contract one way it should be mention the other way as well . Remember a bridge deal only works if the player wants to sign it . A sign Lindholm is worth his weight in gold . He is already a number 1 D . Give him 2 or 3 years and he will crazy good . So if he is asking for a reasonable contract sign him already and be done with it .

 

[CupofOil]

Looks like focus may be shifting to bridge deals, with Hampus getting a huge extension summer of 2018.

Do you think that Lindholm will take kindly to being bridged while a lesser Dman in Vatanen was signed semi-long term? That's a good way to strain relations between the best Dman on the team and management. They would still have Rackell to sign as well who should come in around the $4M mark. That's about $10M for the two players that the Ducks don't have available. Even if they deal Fowler for futures, they are still pressed against the cap after signing those two and way over the internal budget.

I'm just really surprised that they let it go this long with Lindholm unsigned while they continue on with all these smaller signings and Vatanen earlier in the offseason. Just an odd situation unless Lindholm's ask is completely unreasonable.

 

[Vipers31]

While I read this thread I have seen fans voice opinions both ways and while the OP does have some solid pieces in there Hampus Lindholm contract has not been mention while Marchand contract has . Remember Lindholm may be asking for an crazy contract and if he doesn't get what he wants he could go but home to play . Unlikely but if you are going to mention a contract one way it should be mention the other way as well . Remember a bridge deal only works if the player wants to sign it . A sign Lindholm is worth his weight in gold . He is already a number 1 D . Give him 2 or 3 years and he will crazy good . So if he is asking for a reasonable contract sign him already and be done with it .

Even if the Ducks lowballed him badly for a bridge deal, he can't make that kind of money playing home in Sweden. It's not like with a handful of KHL teams that can do that kind of thing for big Russian names.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

can we leave Lindholm alone yet? haha.. I see constant bad offers for him.... lets bug Risto for a while instead now!!!

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Anaheim Ducks say yes I would think.

Doubtful not for Lindholm, Marchand is a pending UFA in 2017 and is most likely out of Anaheim's price range this is a pretty bad offer for Lindholm the Ducks can get better pretty sure BM says no. Marchand+McQuaid make about most likely $1.5 million more then what Lindholm will get and with their internal budget doubt Murray could afford both Marchand and McQuaid.

 

[Pestilence]

Bruins wouldn't do it. Bruins would lose their best winger and whats looking like a future #1 stud dman.

Am I missing something with McAvoy here, but he was expected to go around 10-20 maybe, went 14th, and the draft was 1,5 months ago so virtually nothing has changed since. Not saying he couldn't be one, just that has being drafted by Boston somehow changed his value or something?

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Am I missing something with McAvoy here, but he was expected to go around 10-20 maybe, went 14th, and the draft was 1,5 months ago so virtually nothing has changed since. Not saying he couldn't be one, just that has being drafted by Boston somehow changed his value or something?

its cause he was recently mentioned in articles as the best player at WJC evaluation camp. So naturally, his stock raised immensely on HFBOARDS.

Yes he is an extremely good player, but people need to pull the reigns a little bit

 

[WhatTheDuck]

This proposal also has an 18 year old potential stud defenseman who was the best player on the ice at the recent World Junior camp.

I think this is one of many deals around here that neither team does.

Marchand isn't a rental winger in Boston. He is a core piece who should be a fairly easy resign (won't be cheap but he wants to be in Boston longterm)

Then you have McAvoy who absolutely looks like a future top pairing defenseman, and of course is a local college kid.

That "18 year old potential stud defenseman" would arguably be the Ducks 4th best D prospect at the moment behind Theodore, Larsson and Montour. He doesn't fit any sort of need for the Ducks, even if he is a good young player. Boston quite simply cannot come up with a realistic offer that would get us to part with Lindholm, this exercise is pointless.

Do you think that Lindholm will take kindly to being bridged while a lesser Dman in Vatanen was signed semi-long term? That's a good way to strain relations between the best Dman on the team and management. They would still have Rackell to sign as well who should come in around the $4M mark. That's about $10M for the two players that the Ducks don't have available. Even if they deal Fowler for futures, they are still pressed against the cap after signing those two and way over the internal budget.

I'm just really surprised that they let it go this long with Lindholm unsigned while they continue on with all these smaller signings and Vatanen earlier in the offseason. Just an odd situation unless Lindholm's ask is completely unreasonable.

I dont know what comparables you used to come up with that figure for Rakell but look at JT Miller's recently signed deal and explain why you think Rakell has the leverage to demand that much more.

 

[Static]

One prospect camp and the kid is a future number one stud. Unreal.

 

[TT1]

It's a bad offer because of Marchand's contract situation, he's gonna get paid as a UFA (hes a top LW'er).

Lindholm still has several more cap controlled years and hes already a top pairing dman.

 

[kdog82]

One prospect camp and the kid is a future number one stud. Unreal.

He is. Just because he went #14 OA doesn't mean a thing. I for one wouldn't include McAvoy in any trade from a Bruins perspective.

And who's to say Marchand wouldn't re-sign with the Ducks?

And someone here said McaVoy would be the 4th best defensive prospect on the Ducks is just laughable.

 

[Juxtaposer]

It's pretty obvious reading this thread who watches Western Conference hockey and who goes to bed early.

Also, it's behind hilarious how anyone thinks McAvoy even has the upside of Lindholm's current play. As someone who has been watching McAvoy for years with the NTDP and is quite fond of him, his maximum upside is solid #2D. Let's not get ahead of ourselves.