Proposal: Hampus Lindholm for Brad Marchand, Adam Mcquaid & Charles McAvoy

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

if someone tells me marchand isnt resigning AND tells me lindholm would extend at a reasonable price then this becomes a no brainer for boston.

i feel lindholm might already be resigned if hes seeking a reasonable price. if marchand ends up signing a reasonable deal to stay in boston then i dont have enough info to greenlight this deal.

if anaheim fans feel they need more... thats their progative. lindholm feels like he will be a very good top pair dman

 

[Static]

It's not more, it's what makes sense. Trading for a player they will lose in a year does not make sense. That seems simple enough.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

The best piece being offered for a 22 year old top pairing dman is a rental winger? I don't care what the value stacks up to be, that's not a premise the Ducks would have even a remote interest in.

 

[go4hockey]

Why would the Bruins do that when Mcavoy looks like the steal of the draft and Marchy is trending up so quickly its not funny. Maybe i dont watch Lindholm enough but thats a lot of asset going to Anahiem

You clearly don't watch Lindholm enough. You take your "trending up so quickly it's not funny" fits Lindholm well too. That package would not land them Lindholm.

 

[oilerbear]

Not trying to rock the boat... But 28 points at 22 years old doesn't make you a number one defenceman. Not now not ever!
Just ask Tyler Myers!

Top 300 goal scorers
27 are dmen.

A strong off dman gives the d.......puck to the forwards asap.
The more a dman drives the offence directly the less likely a goal is scored.
That covers goals for.

Goals against:
Lindholm is
1st comp
Top 10 hsca - the area 10 shots get 75 % of goals.
Top 30 SA d

He is one of the elite ha d in the game.
You know defending.
What d me do.

He is not the best in the game the last 2 years
Larsson

Or

The elite historical
Weber
Doughty

Elite off d are below league average in gf affect.
Which is below league average for goal diff.

The elite hsca d are the critical ga affect on games.

Mentioning dman offence as a positive is a lie.
They have a negative affect on winning.

GF give it to the top 278 goal scoring forwards.

GA get as many top 60 hsca d.

Pit
Love joy
Dumoulin
Cole

Chicago
Hjarlmasson
Oduya
Keith

LAK
Doughty
Martinez
Muzzin
Greene

Chicago
Hjarlmasson
Oduya
Rossival
Seabrook

LAK
Doughty
Voynov
Greene
Scuderi

Boston
Chara
Seidenberg
Boychuk
Ference

CHI
Hjarlmasson
Sopel
Campbell
Seabrook

 

[go4hockey]

Anaheim Ducks say yes I would think.

Not a chance. You don't trade top pairing guys like Lindholm. Plus the biggest piece coming to ANA is not signed long enough to be giving up a stud young defenseman.

 

[go4hockey]

Even if they deal Fowler, I don't see how they sign both without going well over their internal budget and are they just going to deal Fowler for prospects and picks? Either way, the Ducks roster is going to take a hit I would think.

Maybe ownership is willing to spend a lil close to the cap since they are as close and could make a deep run. Who knows? They will be fine either way.

 

[Mikeshane]

What? That's a great offer but I can understand why the Ducks don't do it. Marchand is criminally underrated.

On another note, how are the Ducks going to be able to sign Lindholm and Rackell? Aren't they already pushing their internal budget? They seem kind of screwed, no?

That's what I'm wondering, say Lindholm comes in somewhere around the 7.5 million Ekblad got. Then you got Rackell who got 20 goals, that's gotta be worth at least 3 million. Ducks don't have anywhere close to that much cap space.

 

[Goose of Reason]

That's what I'm wondering, say Lindholm comes in somewhere around the 7.5 million Ekblad got. Then you got Rackell who got 20 goals, that's gotta be worth at least 3 million. Ducks don't have anywhere close to that much cap space.

Lindholm's comparables are Jones and Rielly who are in the 5.5mil range. That Ekblad contract did not set market value as it was an overpayment. Rakell didn't do much of anything before this year and scored 43 points. We're assuming he'll be signed to a 2-year bridge deal, and his comparables will put him in the 2-3mil range tops. Murray is also a wiz at RFA deals usually so I'm not worried about that. Fowler, Despres and Stoner can all be moved to clear cap space. We're fine.

 

[wintersej]

Top 300 goal scorers
27 are dmen.

A strong off dman gives the d.......puck to the forwards asap.
The more a dman drives the offence directly the less likely a goal is scored.
That covers goals for.

Goals against:
Lindholm is
1st comp
Top 10 hsca - the area 10 shots get 75 % of goals.
Top 30 SA d

He is one of the elite ha d in the game.
You know defending.
What d me do.

He is not the best in the game the last 2 years
Larsson

Or

The elite historical
Weber
Doughty

Elite off d are below league average in gf affect.
Which is below league average for goal diff.

The elite hsca d are the critical ga affect on games.

Mentioning dman offence as a positive is a lie.
They have a negative affect on winning.

GF give it to the top 278 goal scoring forwards.

GA get as many top 60 hsca d.

Pit
Love joy
Dumoulin
Cole

Chicago
Hjarlmasson
Oduya
Keith

LAK
Doughty
Martinez
Muzzin
Greene

Chicago
Hjarlmasson
Oduya
Rossival
Seabrook

LAK
Doughty
Voynov
Greene
Scuderi

Boston
Chara
Seidenberg
Boychuk
Ference

CHI
Hjarlmasson
Sopel
Campbell
Seabrook

Lots to dissect here and oddly put together, but, for starters, you can't just throw up HSCA as the be all end all. If it was, Kevan Miller and Adam McQuaid would be a Norris contenders.

 

[Arthuros]

What is essentially a rental, a dump and a prospect to add to a surplus of defensive prospects?

Maybe if you changed Charles McAvoy to James McAvoy...

 

[Jeti]

If Marchand had more term left on his deal, this is the type of overpayment it'd take, but with one year left, it's clearly not acceptable to Anaheim

 

[Midship]

I think this proposal will be much more reasonable for Anaheim, if they're giving up Lindholm.

Anaheim

Krug
2017 1st round draft pick
Charles McAvoy
Brad Marchand

Boston:

Hampus Lindholm

Extreme overpay from Boston's perspective. No chance.

 

[JoeIsAStud]

The best piece being offered for a 22 year old top pairing dman is a rental winger? I don't care what the value stacks up to be, that's not a premise the Ducks would have even a remote interest in.

This proposal also has an 18 year old potential stud defenseman who was the best player on the ice at the recent World Junior camp.

I think this is one of many deals around here that neither team does.

Marchand isn't a rental winger in Boston. He is a core piece who should be a fairly easy resign (won't be cheap but he wants to be in Boston longterm)

Then you have McAvoy who absolutely looks like a future top pairing defenseman, and of course is a local college kid.

 

[Atren]

In order this trade have any reasonable chance Marchand needs to have resigned to long deal. Even then I doubt Ducks would do it.

 

[Mikeshane]

Lindholm's comparables are Jones and Rielly who are in the 5.5mil range. That Ekblad contract did not set market value as it was an overpayment. Rakell didn't do much of anything before this year and scored 43 points. We're assuming he'll be signed to a 2-year bridge deal, and his comparables will put him in the 2-3mil range tops. Murray is also a wiz at RFA deals usually so I'm not worried about that. Fowler, Despres and Stoner can all be moved to clear cap space. We're fine.

No way, Jones isn't as good as Lindholm and Rielly is closer but he's not there yet either. Lindholm has already proven himself capable of being a #1 in the playoffs. No way he takes 5.5.

 

[Eternal Leaf]

Signed Marchand would be enticing I'd assume.

That's a good piece which fits their core's age group.

Lindholm is damn good though.

 

[HowSweeeedeItIs]

Attempt of robbery.

 

[Rorschach]

Anaheim wouldn't have time to say no because most of the teams in the league would beat that offer, even if they already had a #1 DMan already.

 

[pbgoalie]

not a ridiculous proposal, but the ducks cannot take on a rental with an internal budget
While giving up their likely centerpiece of the defense corps.

We have lots of great young defense prospects, but nothing close to proven as Hhampus.

I think Fowler is amazing for the most part, but our prospects are more suitable to step in for Fowler than Hampus if a choice were to be made...for now

Of course, a long hold out can change a budget teams outlook as well

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

After watching lindholm in the Nashville series I have no interest in moving him for pretty anyone not named mcdavid.we've needed a top pairing dmen basically sense pronger and neids left, no way we are moving one, especially a cost controlled 22 year old one.

 

[Not So Mighty]

Marchand's contract expires before Murray can even hang up the phone.

 

[PsychoDad]

Lol, I like how Anaheim fans are disgusted by this offer, but as a Bruins fan - hell no.
Marchand is a unique player, a top10 left wing in the NHL, AND his goals come from even strength and PK - he is the best PK scorer in the league BY FAR. Adding a known winner, a tough pos in McQuaid AND our best D prospect with very legit upside - I don't care if your boy is Nicklas mfking Lidstrom, you don't laugh about offers like that.

 

[Pestilence]

Why would the Bruins do that when Mcavoy looks like the steal of the draft and Marchy is trending up so quickly its not funny. Maybe i dont watch Lindholm enough but thats a lot of asset going to Anahiem

Where exactly has McAvoy played after the draft that would warrant the "looks like a steal"?

 

[nilssont]

Why would the Bruins do that when Mcavoy looks like the steal of the draft and Marchy is trending up so quickly its not funny. Maybe i dont watch Lindholm enough but thats a lot of asset going to Anahiem

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