WhatTheDuck
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That was me, do you have an actual argument for McAvoy being a better prospect than Theodore, Larsson and/or Montour? Regardless he doesn't fit a need for Anaheim at all.
Proposal: Hampus Lindholm for Brad Marchand, Adam Mcquaid & Charles McAvoy
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That was me, do you have an actual argument for McAvoy being a better prospect than Theodore, Larsson and/or Montour? Regardless he doesn't fit a need for Anaheim at all.
BruinLVGA
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There's always one that needs to take things personally... like a thread on hfboards is somehow a matter of life or death. "Anger the Ducks fans"... Who gives a hoot about that, by the way.
Chill out, bra.
I wouldn't want Lindholm at the cost of Marchand, McAvoy & McQuaid. We would deplete our personnel too much, independently of how good Lindholm is.
So you wouldn't trade a prospect for a 22 year old player you hope said prospect could become. That makes a ton of sense.
Vipers31
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"Doesn't mean a thing" compared to what? Conclusions from a few days of camp drawn by random people?
Nobody's to say that, but that isn't the reality. He's a secured asset for just 10.5 months. That's all that's driving the value. He could be gone if he feels like it.
He's not ahead of Theodore and Larsson has a very solid case over him, as well. Montour is certainly further ahead in development, but he's also much older, so he's the one guy that would probably be ranked behind him. It's not really laughable if you're familiar with them, though.
Every scout that has watched him play say he is a beast. Could be a Hobie Baker finalist this year as a defenseeman.
Vipers31
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Every scouting staff in the NHL watched him play a lot. That's precisely what resulted in him being selected 14th overall. Not a great argument to say that ranking doesn't mean anything.
Juxtaposer
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"Every scout" that has watched him play also says he is very prone to The Big Mistake too. I think the word "beast" is thrown around way to casually. McAvoy is good but honestly he's not a blue chip prospect unless you have a very loose definition of blue chip.
I'm not implying Lindholm isn't excellent. I think he's awesome, however, I wouldn't trade our best winger, and D prospect, a guy who will be playing for the Bruins next year and has a very high ceiling.
Igor Shestyorkin
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Bad for Anaheim. Marchand is 1 year from UFA status, McQuaid sucks ass and has a crap contract, and McAvoy just adds to an already deep D prospect pool in Anaheim, and does not fill a need whatsoever.
I'll take McAvoy on the Rangers though.
I'll take McAvoy on the Rangers though.
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My definition of blue chip is "almost certainly a top-line forward or top pairing D", not "potentally a #2D if everything goes right". The label "blue chip" should only apply to prospects like Matt Tkachuk, Zach Werenski, Kyle Connor. McAvoy has to have a dominant season at the NCAA level. He has not.
Just because he's your best prospect by far doesn't mean everyone is as high on him.
Skinnyjimmy08
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I would agree with it somewhat. Id definitely take Theodore and Montour ahead of McAvoy any day of the week without a doubt. But Larsson and McAvoy are neck and neck for me. I know most have Larsson way ahead also, but I feel him and McAvoy are close. McAvoy is a real good prospect
Vipers31
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I didn't take your position as saying that, and I don't blame you or any Bruins fan for not wanting to make the proposed deal. It's a ton to give up, and the Bruins probably have a much better chance to actually retain Marchand, both from a budget and a player-preference/familiarity angle.
Zegs2sendhelp
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The point is as it stands right now, the ducks defensive depth only using 25 years and under goes like this
Despres Vatanen
Lindholm Fowler
Manson Theodore
Larrson Montour
Welinski Pettersson
honestly we have no need for any sort of dmen from trades and honestly why would we trade fo dmen when we do such a good job drafting and developing them. If were trading dmen it is likely for picks or equal skilled forward players/prospects. I doubt the ducks have any interest in mcavory
Skinnyjimmy08
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agreed... I cant see any situation where they would have any interest what so ever in McAvoy. Completely not needed
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dracom
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Larsson just got Hall, Oils won't get Lindholm for Pulju (even as a starting piece)..
VoynovsParoleOfficer
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Larsson was a #4 overall pick who is steadily improving and doesn't make mistakes and Hall is someone who has issues whether they be consistency, health or attitude and both players fit acquiring teams need so I don't understand how all of the sudden one trade creates a universal precedent that is set in stone. Pulji + (given that the plus is a significant piece) could be extremely fair in value but still do not blame ducks fans for wanting their guy no matter what
TheGroceryStick
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That is a great offer; and I hate Boston. Tons of value going to Ana.
Top line W (at worst 2nd line)
Bottom pairing tough SOB Dman
Top end D prospect (potentially best in his draft IMO)
Top line W (at worst 2nd line)
Bottom pairing tough SOB Dman
Top end D prospect (potentially best in his draft IMO)
Lol... I love how fans quickly shift opinions about players once a deal is made.
Pre-trade:
EDM fans: "Hall!!!!!!.................. for Larsson!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Get real. Hall is the #1 LW in the league right now. You don't move a guy who drives offence and can produce 70-80 points a season for a weak top pairing D-man in Larsson. Elite #1D or gtfo".Post-trade:
EDM fans: "Well, you know. Hall had his issues. I mean, he hasn't repeated his 80 season and he's very inconsistent. He's also terrible on the back-end. Meanwhile, Larsson is only getting better. Despite only scoring 18pts last season, EDM has a more offensive system then NJ. So I'm sure he'll get 40-50pts next season. True #1D in the making, that's for sure."
Larsson is extremely high risk. He certainly doesn't scream "future elite #1D". With that said, EDM more then overpaid.
P.S. We don't want Pul at the price of Lindholm. Pul is just a prospect. Just because you're infatuated with him because he dropped from 3rd OA in the rankings to 4th OA, doesn't mean he's worth as much as you think.
P.P.S. FWIW, I'd have taken Dubois at 3rd OA too. Don't rate Pul as highly as most. Certainly not in Laine territory.
WhatTheDuck
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It's a rental winger and a pair of pieces that don't represent any sort of need for the Ducks at all, in exchange for our 22 year old best dman. It's not a great offer at all in terms of being worthy of consideration from an Anaheim perspective.
How about Tanev and Virtanen for Marchy Mcquaid and Mcavoy 
Obvi most bitter Canuck fans would lose it and say no but dang that would be a hard package to say no to
Obvi most bitter Canuck fans would lose it and say no but dang that would be a hard package to say no to
Tim Vezina Thomas
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Nitpicking, but its hard to call Marchand anything but a #1 winger after having the 6th most goals in the entire NHL.
I agree with your post, but #1 d man just are NOT traded. It would take a bigger package to pry one out of Anaheim.
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