Proposal: Hampus Lindholm for Brad Marchand, Adam Mcquaid & Charles McAvoy

[dracom]

somehow a 28 year old winger fits in better with Perry and Getzlaf than a 22 age #1 no?
Not like Shea Theodore and Montour couldn't take bigger rolls in the team/make the team and just keep Fowler instead of trade him. Larsson too.

We need to win while Getz and Perry are still good, but we also have to stay competitive for the future Trading someone as good as/elite potential in Lindholm doesn't work. It's not smart to deal someone like Lindholm in hopes that Theo,Montour, Larsson can become what Lindholm already is.

Frankly, we're a better team with Lindholm minus Marchand than we are with Marchand minus Lindholm.

 

[HanSolo]

What? That's a great offer but I can understand why the Ducks don't do it. Marchand is criminally underrated.

On another note, how are the Ducks going to be able to sign Lindholm and Rackell? Aren't they already pushing their internal budget? They seem kind of screwed, no?

As a fan of the Oilers I figured you might understand better than others the discrepancy between the value of a defenseman and the value of a forward.

 

[Tim Vezina Thomas]

It's a good package but it's not enough for Lindholm.

 

[XXIV97]

I think this proposal will be much more reasonable for Anaheim, if they're giving up Lindholm.

Anaheim

Krug
2017 1st round draft pick
Charles McAvoy
Brad Marchand

Boston:

Hampus Lindholm

 

[Phenomenon13]

Why would the Bruins do that when Mcavoy looks like the steal of the draft and Marchy is trending up so quickly its not funny. Maybe i dont watch Lindholm enough but thats a lot of asset going to Anahiem

Lmao. Cause all of that hockey in the summer has made a huge difference.

Talk about small sample size and recency bias.

 

[wintersej]

He's done that once, he's realistically a 25+ goal scorer who has one year left on his deal. Mcquaid is not that good and his cap hit is too high. And we don't need more blue chip D prospects, we already have 2 that are NHL ready,we have zero need for McAvoy

Meh, its not like he had a high shooting % or something, Marchand just played more minutes last season. He didn't score much different than his career per 60 rates it was actually his 2nd worst in the past 5 years at 5 on 5), just the Bruins relied more heavily on their top 6 than in their contending seasons. Some guys don't keep up with their scoring rates with more minutes, Marchand did.

McQuaid is a good #5, but yeah, no need for one of those in Anaheim. Same deal with McAvoy, just doesn't fit. I don't think the value is crazy if the Ducks and Lindholm couldn't come to agreement, it just doesn't correctly address Anaheim's needs.

Any trade for Lindholm to Boston starts with Pastrnak++.

 

[Sojourn]

I think this proposal will be much more reasonable for Anaheim, if they're giving up Lindholm.

Anaheim

Krug
2017 1st round draft pick
Charles McAvoy
Brad Marchand

Boston:

Hampus Lindholm

Krug is a redundant asset for Anaheim. I don't think they'd want him included.

Even if it obviously makes the deal better, it's coming in the form of value that they don't really need.

 

[TLEH]

I think this proposal will be much more reasonable for Anaheim, if they're giving up Lindholm.

Anaheim

Krug
2017 1st round draft pick
Charles McAvoy
Brad Marchand

Boston:

Hampus Lindholm

he's not worth that much...

 

[bigdog16]

Jeese, on the east coast and don't follow the Ducks too closely. But was very unaware how highly Duck's fans covet Lindholm. Will follow more closely this season

 

[wintersej]

I think this proposal will be much more reasonable for Anaheim, if they're giving up Lindholm.

Anaheim

Krug
2017 1st round draft pick
Charles McAvoy
Brad Marchand

Boston:

Hampus Lindholm

Thats more value than a 4 1sts offersheet.

 

[CupofOil]

They are going to be close to cap, would guess Fowler is out.

Even if they deal Fowler, I don't see how they sign both without going well over their internal budget and are they just going to deal Fowler for prospects and picks? Either way, the Ducks roster is going to take a hit I would think.

 

[Bandit Keith]

Maybe in a vacuum this is an ok deal, but in reality it's an awful deal for the ducks because of their cap situation.

 

[XXIV97]

he's not worth that much...

I am probably undervaluing Krug. Is he a #3 defencemen or a #2 defencemen?

 

[Finnish your Czech]

Thats more value than a 4 1sts offersheet.

Except if you're offersheeting him, you're getting him at a higher cap hit. (and not guaranteed to get him)

 

[wintersej]

I am probably undervaluing Krug. Is he a #3 defencemen or a #2 defencemen?

Whatever you think Vatanen is.

 

[CupofOil]

As a fan of the Oilers I figured you might understand better than others the discrepancy between the value of a defenseman and the value of a forward.

Fair enough although the lopsidedness of the Hall/Larsson trade is being blown out of proportion (Larsson was also signed to a sweet long term contract) but I digress. I'm just saying that it's good value for a pending RFA in need of a contract no matter how good he is although 1 year of Marchand with a soon to be big contract isn't worth it.
I said that the Ducks likely don't do it but you have to admit that the Ducks are in a real bind here. I think Lindholm is ripe for an offersheet. Not sure who has the cap space to get it done but an offersheet of $7.5M+ will be really difficult for the Ducks to match.

 

[XXIV97]

Whatever you think Vatanen is.

I'm not a fan of Anaheim. My favorite team is the Oilers.

 

[SmoggyTwinkles]

Isn't Marchand going to get PAID big time after next season? That has to be taken into consideration about his value as far as trade.

He might not look so great if he's got a huge cap/term while getting near his 30's.

 

[dracom]

Fair enough although the lopsidedness of the Hall/Larsson trade is being blown out of proportion (Larsson was also signed to a sweet long term contract) but I digress. I'm just saying that it's good value for a pending RFA in need of a contract no matter how good he is although 1 year of Marchand isn't worth it.
I said that the Ducks likely don't do it but you have to admit that the Ducks are in a real bind here. I think Lindholm is ripe for an offersheet. Not sure who has the cap space to get it done but an offersheet of $7.5M+ will be really difficult for the Ducks to match.

I'm not too worried about it. The Canes are the only ones who seem to have the cap for it, but I don't think they really need Lindholm.

 

[camdon]

If the Bruins had let Colin Millar play out his season. He'd of finished with around 32 points and a +/- of 0. He's about the same age as Lindholm...

With the hardest shot and fastest skater award under his belt the previous season in the AHL. That would have made him a #1 defenceman right?

 

[TrillMike]

If Anaheim is smart, they won't trade him.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

marchand has little value to ducks in this scenario, they get him for one year, then lose him b/c they can't afford him.

terrible for anaheim

 

[KaseMeOutside]

If the Bruins had let Colin Millar play out his season. He'd of finished with around 32 points and a +/- of 0. He's about the same age as Lindholm...

With the hardest shot and fastest skater award under his belt the previous season in the AHL. That would have made him a #1 defenceman right?

Sure, if he would have improved every single player that shared the ice with him, possession metrics, then he would, yes.

 

[Viqsi]

Helpful rule of thumb - if, in your proposal, you're offering anything more than [number of assets coming back * 2] to make up "fair value", it's not actually fair and it's not going to work.

and if it's higher than [number of assets coming back * 1.5, rounded up] you're probably going to get a spirited debate and a "no" consensus.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Both teams could do it but I don't think either would.