Proposal: Hampus Lindholm for Brad Marchand, Adam Mcquaid & Charles McAvoy

[Kalv]

So, Hamilton is trusted less than Lindholm, on a less successful team, and you think that's an argument for Hamilton over Lindholm?

 

[Kalv]

Lindholm is underrated by other fans, overrated by Anaheim fans.

Just as it should be I guess.

I`m a Ducks fan and i agree that some of our fans are overrating Hampus but with all these threads i get that

One(!!!!) guaranteed year for Marchand + a player that we already have in Stoner/Bieksa/Despres/Manson and a good D prospect that we already have in Theodor/Larsson/Montour etc is a bit silly. And this is not even the worst proposal i`ve seen for him. I don`t expect for everyone to understand our biggest needs but that is crazy.

I also don`t think that Lindholm is untouchable (i hope he is but Bob haven`t stated anything and his hands are kind of tied right now). But if we will gonna trade him it will be for something significant.

 

[fredligh]

Ducks hang up, unplug and burn the telephone

 

[nmbr_24]

This is like Ryder, Halak and a 2nd.

No it isn't. The reason Ryder, Halak, and a 2nd was so funny is because a few Habs fans made 100 threads with those guys in it. A great third liner/decent 2nd liner, a backup goaltender and a 2nd is not comparable to a good first line/great 2nd line wing, a top pairing D prospect and a 5/6 D.

 

[nmbr_24]

Ducks hang up, unplug and burn the telephone

I don't have a problem with Duck fans not wanting to do this deal and I don't think they should and I don't think the Ducks management would do it, but I do have a problem with posts like this that imply that the offer is terrible. That is a very good offer.

 

[nmbr_24]

I`m a Ducks fan and i agree that some of our fans are overrating Hampus but with all these threads i get that

One(!!!!) guaranteed year for Marchand + a player that we already have in Stoner/Bieksa/Despres/Manson and a good D prospect that we already have in Theodor/Larsson/Montour etc is a bit silly. And this is not even the worst proposal i`ve seen for him. I don`t expect for everyone to understand our biggest needs but that is crazy.

I also don`t think that Lindholm is untouchable (i hope he is but Bob haven`t stated anything and his hands are kind of tied right now). But if we will gonna trade him it will be for something significant.

Isn't Lindholm a RFA? He is going to get paid big time unless he signs a bridge deal. #1 D are going for a lot of money, Subban signed for $9 million. I have to think Lindholm won't settle for less than $7 million on a long term deal. Trading for Lindholm only gets you his rights, he still would have to be signed.

I am sure he will sign but if it is such a big deal that Marchand has one year left it should also be mentioned that Lindholm doesn't actually have a contract and needs to sign one and the going rate for #1 D is above $7 million per year.

 

[tony d]

not the worst offer I've seen around here. Lindholm gives Boston a good #1 defenseman while Marchand gives Anaheim a #1 LW which they need, a decent depth defenseman in Mcquaid and a good defenseman prospect in Mcavoy.

 

[dracom]

I don't have a problem with Duck fans not wanting to do this deal and I don't think they should and I don't think the Ducks management would do it, but I do have a problem with posts like this that imply that the offer is terrible. That is a very good offer.

In a vacuum it's not terrible, but from the Ducks perspective it is terrible. One guaranteed year for Marchand, a defensemen we don't need/can't afford, plus a guy who would be 4th behind our other defensive prospects does not fill any sort of need for us.

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

In a vacuum it's not terrible, but from the Ducks perspective it is terrible. One guaranteed year for Marchand, a defensemen we don't need/can't afford, plus a guy who would be 4th behind our other defensive prospects does not fill any sort of need for us.

exactly... the value itself is ok but it makes absolutely zero sense to Ducks which is the reason why its terrible

 

[Hunter368]

Lindholm is underrated by other fans, overrated by Anaheim fans.

Just as it should be I guess.

Correct

 

[Skinnyjimmy08]

Correct

yup.. as it is with every player from every rival fan and also team fan in NHL.

Just the way it is and how it will always be

 

[nmbr_24]

In a vacuum it's not terrible, but from the Ducks perspective it is terrible. One guaranteed year for Marchand, a defensemen we don't need/can't afford, plus a guy who would be 4th behind our other defensive prospects does not fill any sort of need for us.

I agree, I was just saying it isn't laughable like a lot of people are saying it is.

 

[BruinLVGA]

Sorry but the bruins fan view that marchand is a top 3 lw in the nhl is laughable and fair game to be discussed in a thread about marchand.

As for the honorable bit - lololol

YOU mentioned the "Marchand is a top 3 LW in the league" (post #143. Obviously it was sarcasm...), not me. In reply to that, I said he was the 3rd highest goal scoring LW in the league last year (& 6th best goal scorer in the entire league & 2nd best Canadian goal scorer. These are all facts, look them up).
However folks in this thread said Marchand maybe is a 2nd liner, which is absolutely ridiculous.

"The honorable bit is lololol"... To each his own... I value performance achieved squarely on merit way more than performance greatly helped by charity, myself. The team I currently respect the most is the Red Wings: 23 - I believe - straight playoffs appearances with no gifts such as Kane, Toews, Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, McDavid, etc etc.

 

[BruinDust]

The problem with this offer is as it stands is 1 year of Marchand + McQuaid + McAvoy. Not a good deal if your Anaheim.

McQuaid is more highly regarded in NHL circles than he is on HF Boards. Depends on how much Anaheim's scouting staff like McAvoy but by most accounts he's a heck of a prospect.

But if it was Marchand with his pen ready to ink an extension with the Ducks, now it's a fairly reasonable offer, enough to give Anaheim pause for thought, but ultimately decline.

 

[Crazy8oooo]

I don't have a problem with Duck fans not wanting to do this deal and I don't think they should and I don't think the Ducks management would do it, but I do have a problem with posts like this that imply that the offer is terrible. That is a very good offer.

It is terrible though...Not because Marchand isn't a great player, but because Marchand would be a rental for the Ducks. He has 1 year left and then would be gone as an UFA. How, in any logical way, is that a very good offer for the Ducks? You can't just look at Marchand as the player he is and say it makes it a good deal. He's a rental...period. You don't give up great, young, NHL proven talent, for a rental.

 

[Kalv]

Isn't Lindholm a RFA? He is going to get paid big time unless he signs a bridge deal. #1 D are going for a lot of money, Subban signed for $9 million. I have to think Lindholm won't settle for less than $7 million on a long term deal. Trading for Lindholm only gets you his rights, he still would have to be signed.

I am sure he will sign but if it is such a big deal that Marchand has one year left it should also be mentioned that Lindholm doesn't actually have a contract and needs to sign one and the going rate for #1 D is above $7 million per year.

Fair enough, and i agree to that (bolded part).

Your 7M is a speculation but yes, the price most likely won`t be small. but the return will not be very small either. And PK got paid after bridge, no?

 

[Homesick]

Why would the Bruins do that when Mcavoy looks like the steal of the draft and Marchy is trending up so quickly its not funny. Maybe i dont watch Lindholm enough but thats a lot of asset going to Anahiem

The Ducks are in the same division as Vancouver so how could you not watch him? This proves my theory that Vancouver fans don't even watch their own team.

It will take more than that to pry Lindholm out of ANA. Pretty much don't even ask

 

[The Toews Era*]

YOU mentioned the "Marchand is a top 3 LW in the league" (post #143. Obviously it was sarcasm...), not me. In reply to that, I said he was the 3rd highest goal scoring LW in the league last year (& 6th best goal scorer in the entire league & 2nd best Canadian goal scorer. These are all facts, look them up).
However folks in this thread said Marchand maybe is a 2nd liner, which is absolutely ridiculous.

"The honorable bit is lololol"... To each his own... I value performance achieved squarely on merit way more than performance greatly helped by charity, myself. The team I currently respect the most is the Red Wings: 23 - I believe - straight playoffs appearances with no gifts such as Kane, Toews, Crosby, Ovechkin, Malkin, McDavid, etc etc.

The red wings fanbase doesnt seem to be happy with where they are. Nor does the bruins fan base with continually missing the playoffs etc. I mean, I will admit its "noble" to keep donating the seguins of the world to other teams to make things more challenging, but to slam the hawks for having high draft picks when 1) the hawks have had many elite and contributing lower picks, 2) the bruins themselves were noncontending irrelevance for a good while, and 3) many other teams with high picks including the bruins btw have not sniffed the accomplishments of the hawks (where was seguin drafted again? Is it not charity because it was a trade?) just seems like a bitter way to attempt to cheapen the accomplishments of the best team of the cap era.

And yes, i mentioned the prevailing sentiment of bruins fans about marchand in a thread whose topic is the VALUE of marchand. You were the one who brought toews into it for some reason.

 

[eternalbedhead]

Value in principle is there, but it is nowhere near enough to entice us to move Lindholm.


Besides, we already have our little dirt bag, we don't need another

 

[go4hockey]

Maybe in another couple years but in no way on a team with a boatload of offensive weapons does Lindholm's numbers represent a #1 D man. Is Dougie Hamilton a stud #1 D man right now because Hamilton > Lindholm?

Hamilton is not better than Lindholm and the gap will grow even more in Lindholm's favor in the next few years.

 

[Sojourn]

Isn't Lindholm a RFA? He is going to get paid big time unless he signs a bridge deal. #1 D are going for a lot of money, Subban signed for $9 million. I have to think Lindholm won't settle for less than $7 million on a long term deal. Trading for Lindholm only gets you his rights, he still would have to be signed.

I am sure he will sign but if it is such a big deal that Marchand has one year left it should also be mentioned that Lindholm doesn't actually have a contract and needs to sign one and the going rate for #1 D is above $7 million per year.

First off, Lindholm isn't a #1 yet. He's a potential #1, but is currently top pairing quality. There's a difference. He isn't going to get paid #1 dollars yet, because he hasn't earned them. Anaheim may be willing to pay him for some of that potential(they should), but they aren't going to outright pay the salary of a true #1 because he isn't that yet.

Secondly, yes, Lindholm is an RFA, but there is a significant difference between Marchand being a soon-to-be UFA and an RFA. To begin with, the Ducks control Lindholm's rights as an RFA. He may be unsigned, but he can't sign with another team. Other teams can't negotiate with him. It's simply a matter of figuring out a contract that both sides agree on. Marchand will be a UFA, which means he can go where ever he wants, and there is nothing the Ducks can do about it.

Furthermore, UFA years are more expensive than RFA years. Marchand is likely to be more expensive to re-sign, because you're going to be paying for those UFA years. Lindholm's contract will depend on the length, and how many UFA years the Ducks are paying for. The longer the contract, the more UFA years.

So, while Lindholm is an RFA, that's still different than Marchand becoming a UFA.

 

[BruinLVGA]

The red wings fanbase doesnt seem to be happy with where they are. Nor does the bruins fan base with continually missing the playoffs etc. I mean, I will admit its "noble" to keep donating the seguins of the world to other teams to make things more challenging, but to slam the hawks for having high draft picks when 1) the hawks have had many elite and contributing lower picks, 2) the bruins themselves were noncontending irrelevance for a good while, and 3) many other teams with high picks including the bruins btw have not sniffed the accomplishments of the hawks (where was seguin drafted again? Is it not charity because it was a trade?) just seems like a bitter way to attempt to cheapen the accomplishments of the best team of the cap era.

And yes, i mentioned the prevailing sentiment of bruins fans about marchand in a thread whose topic is the VALUE of marchand. You were the one who brought toews into it for some reason.

Yep, 23 straight seasons of playoffs is a disgrace: filed under 1st world problems...

"Continuously missing the playoffs"... Did you know that the Bruins never missed the playoffs for more than two years in a row in the past 50 (FIFTY) years? Hardly a "Continuously"... Check your facts next time...
If the Blackhawks don't get gifted Toews and Kane, they would probably still be dwelling at the bottom, who are you kidding??? Good for you because that stretch of 10 years with 1 playoffs series mustn't have been fun (& it fits the "Continuously" definition a bit better than 2 years, doesn't it).
And no, Seguin was not charity, we didn't get him for tanking like you did. Trading for first round picks =/= sitting with one's hands out for a free lunch.
Good on you for the three cups, kudos. Now it would be great if you would stop to be condescending to other teams. There's nothing better than a classy winner and nothing worse than a winner with no class.

Your perceived "prevailing sentiment of Bruins fans about Marchand" =/= someone from the Bruins fan base said Marchand is a top 3 LW (<-- these are your very words).
You came in here to diss a player from another team with no intent whatsoever of discussing the proposal & you got back some of your own medicine, now you can't exactly complain that it tastes a bit bitter.

 

[The Toews Era*]

Yep, 23 straight seasons of playoffs is a disgrace: filed under 1st world problems...

"Continuously missing the playoffs"... Did you know that the Bruins never missed the playoffs for more than two years in a row in the past 50 (FIFTY) years? Hardly a "Continuously"... Check your facts next time...
If the Blackhawks don't get gifted Toews and Kane, they would probably still be dwelling at the bottom, who are you kidding??? Good for you because that stretch of 10 years with 1 playoffs series mustn't have been fun (& it fits the "Continuously" definition a bit better than 2 years, doesn't it).
And no, Seguin was not charity, we didn't get him for tanking like you did. Trading for first round picks =/= sitting with one's hands out for a free lunch.
Good on you for the three cups, kudos. Now it would be great if you would stop to be condescending to other teams. There's nothing better than a classy winner and nothing worse than a winner with no class.

Your perceived "prevailing sentiment of Bruins fans about Marchand" =/= someone from the Bruins fan base said Marchand is a top 3 LW (<-- these are your very words).
You came in here to diss a player from another team with no intent whatsoever of discussing the proposal & you got back some of your own medicine, now you can't exactly complain that it tastes a bit bitter.

Not complaining, you can say whatever you want about the hawks. Just dont simultaneously play the victim card when you went off topic. Also, check the polls thread about taylor hall being a top 3 lw. There are bruins fans in there specifically saying what i implied about marchand. Then you yourself followed up my post doubling down on it. So yes, that is the sentiment, and its laughable.

Also lol at making a lopsided trade with a bad trading partner somehow isnt charity or taking advantage of the system anD is what you "earned" but getting a high pick in the draft with ones own spot somehow isnt. Its all the same system, a system which Due to the cap has resulted in the gutting and regutting of the hawks team after they became a powerhouse. The hawks have charitably gifted the nhl with byfuglien, ladd, sharp, saad, teravainen etc etc and still keep winning cups and being a contender. Something the bruins and other teams couldnt do. The charity cuts both ways.

 

[Exit Dose]

Lindholm is underrated by other fans, overrated by Anaheim fans.

Just as it should be I guess.

And the day catches up with the broken clock.

 

[Exit Dose]

The problem with this offer is as it stands is 1 year of Marchand + McQuaid + McAvoy. Not a good deal if your Anaheim.

McQuaid is more highly regarded in NHL circles than he is on HF Boards. Depends on how much Anaheim's scouting staff like McAvoy but by most accounts he's a heck of a prospect.

But if it was Marchand with his pen ready to ink an extension with the Ducks, now it's a fairly reasonable offer, enough to give Anaheim pause for thought, but ultimately decline.

It would be a good offer, under those circumstances. However, it would need to address a need on par with keeping Lindholm to give them pause, which it doesn't.