Value of: Habs First Pick

[ole ole]

My God it will be delightful if Dubois doesn't end up in Montreal in a year.

He comes in a trade at half his value, he comes free. He doesn't come at all.
We are not worried about it.

 

[ManofSteel55]

This one seems a little pointless until the draft lottery takes place, doesn't it? The Habs could finish with any pick from 1 - 9 right now still, and that's a huge variance in value, so even if the Habs did want to drop down (which I doubt), it's hard to know what value they even have right now.

I think a top line player with some term is fair value for a 6 - 10 pick. Not a superstar, but certainly a play driver. Like a Timo Meier, if NJ can't get a deal done (I expect they will), or someone of that caliber. I don't think you'll see any GM's give that caliber of player and their 1st to move up though. Or maybe this is finally the Dubois deal, with an extension in place as a sign and trade (yes, I know Montreal has a good shot at signing him for nothing in a year).

 

[ManofSteel55]

Dubois, Stanley, Jets 1st for Habs 1st, Florida 1st, Dach (or similar center potential player)

That seems like a pretty big overpay. Stanley doesn't have a ton of value left, so you're wanting a top 10 pick, Dach, and to swap the Jets pick for the Florida pick (dropping from early to mid teens to around 20). Seems like a hefty price to me.

 

[Buffdog]

He comes in a trade at half his value, he comes free. He doesn't come at all.
We are not worried about it.

Maybe you will be worried in 5 years when you still haven't made the playoffs and he's lighting it up on another team.

You get a chance to aquire a big, mean centre who puts up points (and francophone to boot) and then sell him long term on your franchise, you take it. Even if it costs you assets.

It's not like the Habs have 5 PLDs sitting around.

It's odd how fans of such a shitty team are so blasé about landing such a rare, coveted piece. Jets fans would almost give up their collective left nut to keep the guy and Habs fans (again, to reiterate, cheer for a shit team) don't seem to care if they get the guy

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Maybe you will be worried in 5 years when you still haven't made the playoffs and he's lighting it up on another team.

You get a chance to aquire a big, mean centre who puts up points (and francophone to boot) and then sell him long term on your franchise, you take it. Even if it costs you assets.

It's not like the Habs have 5 PLDs sitting around.

It's odd how fans of such a shitty team are so blasé about landing such a rare, coveted piece. Jets fans would almost give up their collective left nut to keep the guy and Habs fans (again, to reiterate, cheer for a shit team) don't seem to care if they get the guy

Habs have a big C in Dach who has emerged as a potential 2C. There is no need to give up high-value assets for PLD, only having to pay him 9+M on a contract. If in 2024 the Habs still have a need at C, they can circle back on PLD if he's available. Good chance the Habs won't have a need given that their 2023 pick will likely be a C and given Dach's progression.

 

[Buffdog]

Habs have a big C in Dach who has emerged as a potential 2C. There is no need to give up high-value assets for PLD, only having to pay him 9+M on a contract. If in 2024 the Habs still have a need at C, they can circle back on PLD if he's available. Good chance the Habs won't have a need given that their 2023 pick will likely be a C and given Dach's progression.

So you're so sure about dach and your pick's development that you're willing to gamble that's they'd turn into something that PLD already is?

You're clearly not thinking rationally

 

[Junohockeyfan]

So you're so sure about dach and your pick's development that you're willing to gamble that's they'd turn into something that PLD already is?

You're clearly not thinking rationally

Yes, i am satisfied with Dach's development and with his sweetheart contract. There is no need for a rebuilding team to trade assets for PLD. Heck, they can wait til 2024 to see if he's available if it comes to it. But i doubt they will need him.

The stupid gamble is trading assets for a guy you have to sign to a 9+M caphit longterm when you have players in the system that are breaking out.

 

[Buffdog]

Yes, i am satisfied with Dach's development and with his sweetheart contract. There is no need for a rebuilding team to trade assets for PLD. Heck, they can wait til 2024 to see if he's available if it comes to it. But i doubt they will need him.

The stupid gamble is trading assets for a guy you have to sign to a 9+M caphit longterm when you have players in the system that are breaking out.

Fair enough. Good luck with your hopes and dreams. Way better to rely on those than sure things

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Fair enough. Good luck with your hopes and dreams. Way better to rely on those than sure things

Less hope and more confidence given the progression of Dach. Hope and dream is what the Jets need to get through the next decade as a small market bottom feeder .

 

[HuGo Sham]

Maybe you will be worried in 5 years when you still haven't made the playoffs and he's lighting it up on another team.

You get a chance to aquire a big, mean centre who puts up points (and francophone to boot) and then sell him long term on your franchise, you take it. Even if it costs you assets.

It's not like the Habs have 5 PLDs sitting around.

It's odd how fans of such a shitty team are so blasé about landing such a rare, coveted piece. Jets fans would almost give up their collective left nut to keep the guy and Habs fans (again, to reiterate, cheer for a shit team) don't seem to care if they get the guy

such a shitty team, that turfed you during covid cup. here's some facts. Habs are about to set the record for most man games lost over two seasons. Another fact. 8 of their starting 12 forwards are injured. They're playing with an AHL roster.
No one is taking for granted that Dubois signs or is traded to Montreal, but some of these trade takes are dumb. Habs aren't trading Dach for him at this point; they're also not trading their lottery pick. Habs could still end up with one of Carlsson, Fantilli or Bedard. Maybe another discussion takes place at the draft if the habs suddenly have one of those big 3.

Maybe something around the Panthers pick which may be anywhere from 10-15 + a young asset and vet with term

 

[Buffdog]

Less hope and more confidence given the progression of Dach. Hope and dream is what the Jets need to get through the next decade as a small market bottom feeder .

Small market, sure... but you may want to re-check who the bottom feeder is right now

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Small market, sure... but you may want to re-check who the bottom feeder is right now

No man's land best describes the Jets plight. No direction, no future, no hope. Save the Jets!

 

[Buffdog]

such a shitty team, that turfed you during covid cup. here's some facts. Habs are about to set the record for most man games lost over two seasons. Another fact. 8 of their starting 12 forwards are injured. They're playing with an AHL roster.
No one is taking for granted that Dubois signs or is traded to Montreal, but some of these trade takes are dumb. Habs aren't trading Dach for him at this point; they're also not trading their lottery pick. Habs could still end up with one of Carlsson, Fantilli or Bedard. Maybe another discussion takes place at the draft if the habs suddenly have one of those big 3.

Maybe something around the Panthers pick which may be anywhere from 10-15 + a young asset and vet with term

Don't want the lottery pick, but the idea that Dach is off the table is ludicrous. PLD is what you hope Dach turns into, but likely won't.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

Don't want the lottery pick, but the idea that Dach is off the table is ludicrous. PLD is what you hope Dach turns into, but likely won't.

Dach is well on his way to becoming a 2C and is on a sweetheart deal. Dach is easily off the table. In a year's time, PLD might get an opportunity to be a Hab but its not guaranteed. Dach/Suzuki and the 2023 1st may close the door on PLD's dreams.

 

[Buffdog]

No man's land best describes the Jets plight. No direction, no future, no hope. Save the Jets!

Funny, I think the short term future for the Jets is the playoffs. I know you can't relate, and that's ok. Maybe if you're lucky it will be in the long term future for you. No guarantees tho. Ask Sabres fans how the perpetual tank process is going

 

[Canadienna]

My God it will be delightful if Dubois doesn't end up in Montreal in a year.

Holy shit you're alive!

Are there even any Habs fans who claim it's a sure thing?

Habs fans are doing what any fanbase would do when a high end player is rumoured to want to go there. They are torn between wanting to wait for UFA and trade for him to ensure it.

 

[Buffdog]

Dach is well on his way to becoming a 2C and is on a sweetheart deal. Dach is easily off the table. In a year's time, PLD might get an opportunity to be a Hab but its not guaranteed. Dach/Suzuki and the 2023 1st may close the door on PLD's dreams.

"We love our 2C who has put up 12 goals this year and won't trade him for the opportunity to sign a guy who already has 2X that much this year and who at the same numerous of NHL games as dach had put up 158 points vs dach's 94"

 

[Junohockeyfan]

"We love our 2C who has put up 12 goals this year and won't trade him for the opportunity to sign a guy who already has 2X that much this year and who at the same numerous of NHL games as dach had put up 158 points vs dach's 94"

Dach is pacing for 50+ points this year. A breakout season. At the same age / development, PLD had a whopping 21 points (9 goals) in 46 games!! LOL

Yeah, very happy with Dach's development. Plus his sweetheart deal makes it that much more sweeter. PLD may get a chance in Montreal but he ill have to wait. Given his hopes and dreams, it looks like he will wait for his shot.

 

[Buffdog]

Dach is pacing for 50+ points this year. A breakout season. At the same age / development, PLD had a whopping 21 points (9 goals) in 46 games!! LOL

Yeah, very happy with Dach's development. Plus his sweetheart deal makes it that much more sweeter. PLD may get a chance in Montreal but he ill have to wait. Given his hopes and dreams, it looks like he will wait for his shot.

At the same number of NHL games, PLD was producing at a 50% higher rate

Jets fans know the pain of not having a solid 2C. We had Little, who was passable but went down to injury. Getting g PLD in the deal for Laine was a godsend and most of us are willing to do whatever it takes to have him stay long term but it doesn't look likenthats in the cards.

Having Suzuki and hopefully dach as your 1-2 would be great but if dach ever turns into anything close to PLD then he won't be on a sweetheart deal anymore. And there's no guarantee that happens

Having suzuki-PLD as your 1-2 is a wet dream and for the life of me I can't understand why you wouldn't go for it. You're not thinking rationally. Losing Dach would maybe hurt your feelings but that's the 1-2C setup you build cup teams around

 

[Tetragrammaton]

Absolutely. I’m surprised you don’t see it. What team wants a 3C at that AAV? No contender will have that available cap space to inefficiency spend on him. Unless they are dumping a bad contract they don’t want back on the Habs.

Try coming up with a Dvorak trade to a contender. Put it out there and you’ll see it gets shredded by that fan base if they trade only picks or prospects from that team to the Habs. Why? Because they don’t want his contract before you’d factor in the cost they won’t want to pay either.

Here is a trade the Avs don’t make. Dvorak for a 7th rounder in 2025. Why? Because the Avs don’t want a $4.5mm 3C thru 2025 with NTC.

No rebuilding team would send the Habs assets for a guy like Dvorak because he won’t fit their timeline.

If Dvorak had trade value, Hughes would have moved him already. Hughes didn’t sit out the deadline by choice. The Habs didn’t have anything the market valued enough for Hughes to pull the trigger.

Dvorak has 2 years left in Montreal, he should be traded in the 2024 Off-season or the 2025 trade deadline. He's the least of our worries, and we don't have many right now.

 

[Junohockeyfan]

At the same number of NHL games, PLD was producing at a 50% higher rate

Jets fans know the pain of not having a solid 2C. We had Little, who was passable but went down to injury. Getting g PLD in the deal for Laine was a godsend and most of us are willing to do whatever it takes to have him stay long term but it doesn't look likenthats in the cards.

Having Suzuki and hopefully dach as your 1-2 would be great but if dach ever turns into anything close to PLD then he won't be on a sweetheart deal anymore. And there's no guarantee that happens

Having suzuki-PLD as your 1-2 is a wet dream and for the life of me I can't understand why you wouldn't go for it. You're not thinking rationally. Losing Dach would maybe hurt your feelings but that's the 1-2C setup you build cup teams around

Keep dreaming about getting Dach. Ain't happening. The only guarantee is PLD wants out of the Peg. Of course his preference is to be a Hab so we will see if he get's his shot in 2024 and the opportunity to play with Suzuki and Dach.

 

[Wayfarer13]

Maybe you will be worried in 5 years when you still haven't made the playoffs and he's lighting it up on another team.

You get a chance to aquire a big, mean centre who puts up points (and francophone to boot) and then sell him long term on your franchise, you take it. Even if it costs you assets.

It's not like the Habs have 5 PLDs sitting around.

It's odd how fans of such a shitty team are so blasé about landing such a rare, coveted piece. Jets fans would almost give up their collective left nut to keep the guy and Habs fans (again, to reiterate, cheer for a shit team) don't seem to care if they get the guy

The Habs are not trading for PLD. They will wait and decide in a year as to whether or not to sign him as a UFA. The Peg may trade him to someone willing to risk him as a one year rental with the possibility of signing him long term.

 

[Buffdog]

The Habs are not trading for PLD

We'll see at the draft

Keep dreaming about getting Dach. Ain't happening. The only guarantee is PLD wants out of the Peg. Of course his preference is to be a Hab so we will see if he get's his shot in 2024 and the opportunity to play with Suzuki and Dach.

Time will tell

 

[bernmeister]

Been some rumours Habs may go off the board with their pick. Guy they like slated to go later in draft. Our pick currently sits at 6th. Wondering what it's value would be to trade down? Ideally something between 8-25th. If a Team close to cap wants to move big contract. We have 20 million in caproom this summer. Could be a match?

Sens got Debrinkat for 7th last year, but this is better draft. Kings got Fiala for 19th. We could look this years version of similar trade. A first line forward plus 19th pick for the 6th? Or something basic like give us a 2nd for you to move up couple slots in draft?

Premise is fair, but I don't see it.

Rangers pass unless it is something like
LaF + Lindgren + DAL 2023 1st + Jones
for
6OA + Barron

Helps Rs w/cap
satisfies OP query about moving back in the round and picking up assets

 

[Goggles]

How about Philly offers Carter Hart for Montreal 1st pick in 2023 which might be as high as 5th overall and some prospect(not sure which one at this time). Montreal gets a 24 year old starter for years to come and they would still retain their Florida pick in the same draft.