Post-Game Talk: GROUNDHOG DAY! Oil 4, Lolfs 2

[ToneDog]

I don't think it will be that cut and dry. The odds are that the Leafs will win one or two of their games this week (including Sunday's game in "this week"), if only because the odds of a 7 or 8 game losing streak are probably not high. If they do win a couple of games, I don't see them making a coaching change. If they were to lose the next three in a row, however, then all bets are off.

Flames 7-3 in last 10 and have won 4 in a row.
Canucks 7-2-1 in last 10 mostly on a road trip.
Kraken 8-2 in last 10 but lost last 2.

Need Reaves to do his job and organize motivating team dinners.

 

[wingman75]

Quoting myself, because Luke Fox is a hack. The way he portrayed Marner's comments in text to get reactions was unprofessional and disrespectful. Loser.

Post-Game Talk: - GROUNDHOG DAY! Oil 4, Lolfs 2

It really highlights the lack of understanding of the game some display by laying everything wrong with this team at his feet. Idiotic and childish puts it mildly. I think people have a good grasp of Marner's weaknesses and how that can translate into team issues, but the junk comments...

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Still not a stellar message, but Fox didn't indicate Marner's comments about acknowledging their shortcomings in this game and of late. Shame on him.

 

[Mess]

When you resolve yourself to the fact that Leafs because of their top heavy foolish cap spending are built for entertainment only and not truly serious about winning then losses become less painful and more expected.

Leafs have played 42 games and win 21 and lost 21 a perfectly average .500 team propped up on gimmick points of 3v3 OT or SO to break even.

 

[wingman75]

When you resolve yourself to the fact that Leafs because of their top heavy foolish cap spending are built for entertainment only and not truly serious about winning then losses become less painful and more expected.

Leafs have played 42 games and win 21 and lost 21 a perfectly average .500 team propped up on gimmick points of 3v3 OT or SO to break even.

Hard for me to come to grips with that, since I have been, like many of you, waiting impatiently for a cup win in my lifetime.

It is the reality though. So...

Not a wagon.

Not a serious team.

But fun! Sometimes.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Shanahan is just happy with the status quo. It’s amazing what he has turned into. Just a company man who doesn’t want to rock the boat. If he was serious about the SC, he would fire Keefe. There are good coaches out there who have experience winning it all or at least making it all the way. Come on, man.

 

[ACC1224]

Quoting myself, because Luke Fox is a hack. The way he portrayed Marner's comments in text to get reactions was unprofessional and disrespectful. Loser.





Still not a stellar message, but Fox didn't indicate Marner's comments about acknowledge their shortcomings in this game and of late. Shame on him.

Shocking

 

[leafers]

When Foegle rag dolled Tavares from inside the net, you knew what the response was going to be for rest of the game
I know John Tavares takes a lot of flank, rightfully so. But he's our captain

John Tavares, you know that dude who won the a WJC gold medal single handily. A olympic gold medalist
Represented Canada in so many tournies, won us so many tournies

That John Tavares was rag dolled by Foegle and did nothing.

Yeah, we are not that team.

That’s the culture within the team.
As long as Keefe is here nothing will change.

 

[wingman75]

Shocking

I was unaware of him being a complete douche. Now that I know, he doesn't exist for me.

 

[rumman]

The Leafs will have a great game because that’s what they do.
You see what they really are but then pull out a streak and everyone is drooling and good.
Everything is the right with the world and bang. What they really are. It’s been going on for years.

That’s the problem, we know what this team is and what it isn’t, the fan base is by and large bi polar, happy with wins, pitchforks with loses. It’s not that simple, the team is poorly constructed, has been for years changing the coach might help, but nothing fixes this team until the money is spread more evenly throughout the line up. Many, myself included have been yelling this from the rooftops for years yet the team’s management is too stupid to see the glaring problem year after year. Even I’m sick of pointing out the obvious, yet here we are………

Shanahan is just happy with the status quo. It’s amazing what he has turned into. Just a company man who doesn’t want to rock the boat. If he was serious about the SC, he would fire Keefe. There are good coaches out there who have experience winning it all or at least making it all the way. Come on, man.

I bet deep down he’s a f**king Rangers fan………

 

[kevsh]

Keefe: "So, while the story will be us giving up leads, to me the story is more an inability to execute on the scoring chances and grow our lead and pull away and take away the will of the other team."

So it is true: For years with this group it has seemed that whenever they get a sizable (or any) lead on an opponent instead of locking it down they try to run up the score (i.e. pad their stats). Problem is that we've seen this approach failing miserably far too many times. Apparently Keefe is sticking with it despite this, and here we are.

"Pull away and take away the will" is another way of saying "we don't have any desire to commit to structure or play 60-minute team defense". Playoff contenders take away an opponent's will by frustrating them, taking away their scoring chances, blocking their entries/shots, etc. Basically making sure the opponent's believe that they have no way of getting back into the game.

Just ask the Leafs after the Panthers series last year.

In any case, its comments like these that show that either Keefe doesn't have a firm grasp on the philosophy of winning teams or he's cowering to the stars desire to win individual trophies. Either way it may not matter much as this could very well be his last season here.

 

[AllHeartNoSkill]

Shanahan is just happy with the status quo. It’s amazing what he has turned into. Just a company man who doesn’t want to rock the boat. If he was serious about the SC, he would fire Keefe. There are good coaches out there who have experience winning it all or at least making it all the way. Come on, man.

And now he’s painted himself into a corner. If he decides now to make a change to the model this roster’s built on, it will show that he was somehow the last person in the city to see that there was a problem.

 

[ACC1224]

Keefe: "So, while the story will be us giving up leads, to me the story is more an inability to execute on the scoring chances and grow our lead and pull away and take away the will of the other team."

So it is true: For years with this group it has seemed that whenever they get a sizable (or any) lead on an opponent instead of locking it down they try to run up the score (i.e. pad their stats). Problem is that we've seen this approach failing miserably far too many times. Apparently Keefe is sticking with it despite this, and here we are.

"Pull away and take away the will" is another way of saying "we don't have any desire to commit to structure or play 60-minute team defense". Playoff contenders take away an opponent's will by frustrating them, taking away their scoring chances, blocking their entries/shots, etc. Basically making sure the opponent's believe that they have no way of getting back into the game.

Just ask the Leafs after the Panthers series last year.

In any case, its comments like these that show that either Keefe doesn't have a firm grasp on the philosophy of winning teams or he's cowering to the stars desire to win individual trophies. Either way it may not matter much as this could very well be his last season here.

While they need to be way better defensively, in last nights case he's right.
It's going to be extremely difficult to beat a team like the Oilers when you have a 3rd string goalie and you only score 2.

 

[GoodNewfieBoy]

They have no identity anymore. They don’t play fast and they don’t play physical. They just hope and pray their big guys can score more goals than the other team. The more I thought about it the more I realized how poorly the roster is constructed. Years of trading away picks for expiring contracts is coming back to bite them in the ass

Brodie gio and Benoit should not be starting. Bertuzzi has brought nothing. The bottom 6 is terrible. Tavares can barely move. They have god awful goaltending. They legit have 3 superstar forwards who take games off and have no intensity or killer instinct. It’s legitimately one of the worst constructed teams in the league. It’s why they only have more regulation wins than the actual bottom feeders of the league. They are a very poor team

 

[BTP]

Name me one team besides the Leafs that have blown leads in 4 straight losses, I'll wait.

You know who is sitting first in the overall standings right now? Hint they're also the number 1 defensive team in the league.

You don't win cups by focusing solely on offense even Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Stamkos, Hedman, Point, Kucherov, Stone, Marchessault, Pietrangelo, Theodore, etc. etc. will tell you that.

If you think consistently scoring only 1 or 2 goals is good enough to win in this era of the NHL then you're out to lunch.

All those players you named play on teams that can score more than 1 or 2 goals in big games.

We never get that extra goal. Always a goal short.

Our defense isnt what killed us last night. It was lack of execution on all the chances we had to blow the lead wide open in the first and second period.

 

[ULF_55]

I feel like we've all hit our breaking point with the coach time for Brad to make this team his own

He left the bullet in the chamber.

I didn't like that as it left him an excuse for everything he did before the season started.

"It's all coaching!"

 

[3blizzard4]

Tavares last 5 games. 4 points in his last 10. Painful to watch unless he is playing to get Keefe fired.
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'I Think The Message Was Sent': Maple Leafs Head Coach Sheldon Keefe Explains Third-Period Benching of John Tavares Against Avalanche​

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The message was sent but not received.

 

[Fogelhund]

Keefe: "So, while the story will be us giving up leads, to me the story is more an inability to execute on the scoring chances and grow our lead and pull away and take away the will of the other team."

So it is true: For years with this group it has seemed that whenever they get a sizable (or any) lead on an opponent instead of locking it down they try to run up the score (i.e. pad their stats). Problem is that we've seen this approach failing miserably far too many times. Apparently Keefe is sticking with it despite this, and here we are.

"Pull away and take away the will" is another way of saying "we don't have any desire to commit to structure or play 60-minute team defense". Playoff contenders take away an opponent's will by frustrating them, taking away their scoring chances, blocking their entries/shots, etc. Basically making sure the opponent's believe that they have no way of getting back into the game.

Just ask the Leafs after the Panthers series last year.

In any case, its comments like these that show that either Keefe doesn't have a firm grasp on the philosophy of winning teams or he's cowering to the stars desire to win individual trophies. Either way it may not matter much as this could very well be his last season here.

You have extrapolated far too much, attempting to read between the lines.

 

[Aashir]

This is the Leafs postgame video photo. What the hell you smiling about?


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Hey hey hey, he had a goal AND an assist

Don’t remember that he gave Mcdavid a hug infront of the net on the third goal, or that he failed to clear it for that goal, or on a team level he is apart of a team that is spiraling out of control

Individual stats >

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'I Think The Message Was Sent': Maple Leafs Head Coach Sheldon Keefe Explains Third-Period Benching of John Tavares Against Avalanche​

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The message was sent but not received.

But didn’t you see tavares….trying

Seriously, Tavares has 20-30 games of just “trying”. No one gets as much credit for “trying” than this guy does. People don’t realize how f***ed his contract is, 11m and we had some saying ppg was elite….he’s been overpaid 2-3+ million each year of his contract save the first one, he was only 1-2 million overpaid that season

He probably received the message, he’s just to ass to do anything about it

 

[ULF_55]

There are American fans of the TML, so I'd give the spelling a pass in that case. It's the thought that counts.

Yes, it makes it a little more colourful.
We should be re-signed to this.
We have to keep our sense of humour.
Sometimes you just have to go that extra kilometre.

Do they still use aluminium sticks?

 

[Aashir]

It's gotten to the point where I am expecting them to blow a lead.

Maybe we should try playing from behind.

I miss the days of giving up the first goal in 5 minutes….

We used to win a lot of those games

 

[Apex Predator]

Everyone mad about Tavares contract knew that the last few years were going to be bad. I personally that he would be worse than it is right now.

Ideally by this point Tavares should be on the wing and we have second line center that he play with. Tavares speed is a concern and I do think he is better off on the wing to take away some of the defensive responsibilities he has that are tougher for him with his lack of speed.

I miss the days of giving up the first goal in 5 minutes….

We used to win a lot of those games

Now we give up goals in the last 5 minutes lol.

 

[ACC1224]

Hey hey hey, he had a goal AND an assist

Don’t remember that he gave Mcdavid a hug infront of the net on the third goal, or that he failed to clear it for that goal, or on a team level he is apart of a team that is spiraling out of control

Individual stats >


But didn’t you see tavares….trying

Seriously, Tavares has 20-30 games of just “trying”. No one gets as much credit for “trying” than this guy does. People don’t realize how f***ed his contract is, 11m and we had some saying ppg was elite….he’s been overpaid 2-3+ million each year of his contract save the first one, he was only 1-2 million overpaid that season

He probably received the message, he’s just to ass to do anything about it

Tavares is what he is at this point. Effort is always there but the decline is too severe.
IMO, can't fault the player for that. He took a serious beating last night but kept going back(slowly) for more.

 

[horner]

Jones let in 3 of 4 bad goals.

Literally got beat by the same shot by Mackinnon his last game with basically the same time left. The book is out, he can’t cover the far side on any shot.

We were lucky enough that Hyman has no hockey IQ and touched the puck offside when he could have easily exited the zone first - that was also a bad goal.

Thought we were discussing the Edmonton game ?

 

[Space umpire]

Not quite top to bottom, but damn near close.
Matthews is doing all he can, on pace for nearly 70.

In the regular season. Matthews is babyshit soft when matters. And is a pedestrian defender as well. Centers who hang out in the high slot tend to be screwing over their own D and goalie.

 

[ULF_55]

I just corrected my post, I was 4 years old when we won the cup, not 6. Young enough to have missed the cup, old enough to have seen 99% of the crap that came after.

I was 12 the last one.

Elation.

Few decades later, have seen some good teams, but never this much talent.

Probably the most talented team, but the results do not reflect that.