Goals against review thread

[Bleedred]

The point you made about MBW and the change in goalie coach seems well taken to me. I'm curious what he thinks about it.

I wish we could find out from somebody why the change was made and I'm just absolutely dying to know if Melanson's contract was up and Fitz just said ''We're not offering you a new deal. See ya later!'' or if we actually paid him any seasons to sit at home. I wonder if he had any time remaining on his deal? It doesn't make sense to get rid of him just because we got rid of Cory, when he was here working with a young goalie that really seemed to be emerging as a very good to potentially dominant one. Melanson had been the Devils goalie coach all but one year of Blackwood's pro career and I'm sure he'd been following him in the minors, even though he likely wasn't directly working with him, outside of training and prospect camps, at least not frequently.

And I also wonder if Scott Clemmensen is still the goalie development coach here. I never see anything him being or not being in the organization anymore. He had very little to do with the goalies in the NHL or once they made their jump to the NHL, but he had been the goalie development coach for the organization since the same summer Blackwood was drafted.

His job was really to work with the prospect goalies (which Blackwood was definitely what you'd consider a prospect probably from 2015 through 2019) and even travel around the globe to check in and work with our goalie prospects who were off the continent.

 

[My3Sons]

I wish we could find out from somebody why the change was made and I'm just absolutely dying to know if Melanson's contract was up and Fitz just said ''We're not offering you a new deal. See ya later!'' or if we actually paid him any seasons to sit at home. I wonder if he had any time remaining on his deal? It doesn't make sense to get rid of him just because we got rid of Cory, when he was here working with a young goalie that really seemed to be emerging as a very good to potentially dominant one. Melanson had been the Devils goalie coach all but one year of Blackwood's pro career and I'm sure he'd been following him in the minors, even though he likely wasn't directly working with him, outside of training and prospect camps, at least not frequently.

And I also wonder if Scott Clemmensen is still the goalie development coach here. I never see anything him being or not being in the organization anymore. He had very little to do with the goalies in the NHL or once they made their jump to the NHL, but he had been the goalie development coach for the organization since the same summer Blackwood was drafted.

His job was really to work with the prospect goalies (which Blackwood was definitely what you'd consider a prospect probably from 2015 through 2019) and even travel around the globe to check in and work with our goalie prospects who were off the continent.

Clemmer was the guy who said the team saw Schmid as the best Euro goalie prospect in his draft class.

Edit- With respect to Melancon I wonder if Brodeur’s role in the organization had anything to do with it? If Brodeur didn’t like him that would explain it.

 

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Clemmer was the guy who said the team saw Schmid as the best Euro goalie prospect in his draft class.

Edit- With respect to Melancon I wonder if Brodeur’s role in the organization had anything to do with it? If Brodeur didn’t like him that would explain it.

I'm not sure if Marty is even as hands on in the hockey ops side of things to even suggest we remove Melanson. I'm not sure he has enough influence unless he really said Melanson is just bad for our young goalies and get him the f*** out of here.

A few posters critiqued him because he said that he wants the goalie to play more deeper in their net, but Blackwood THRIVED under him. Cory was no good under him because he was permanently broken, just like he was no good under Terreri the year before we hired Rollie. Kinkaid had the best season of his career under him, but then had his worst season and only lasted about 5 games after he left here before he was waived and became an AHL tweener, which he's remained ever since. He got a few starts last year for the Rangers when one of their goalies was injured for a while.

Kinkaid was a goalie that had a shelf life in the NHL and these types of goalies don't make it too far into their 30's and that's exactly what Kinkaid was. The only goalies of his type that really make it too far into their 30's is someone like Scott Clemmensen, who if you remember, didn't have much of an NHL career before he was about 31 years old and that only happened because of the Brodeur injury. Before he was nothing but an AHL goalie guy and spent two seasons with the NHL Devils playing 5-8 games a year and watching the other 74-77 games from the bench.

The only time we really heard of Marty being very hands on in hockey ops was when Shero was fired and he and Fitz were supposedly taking over the day to day duties for that time being until we named a permanent GM.

 

[My3Sons]

I'm not sure if Marty is even as hands on in the hockey ops side of things to even suggest we remove Melanson. I'm not sure he has enough influence unless he really said Melanson is just bad for our young goalies and get him the f*** out of here.

A few posters critiqued him because he said that he wants the goalie to play more deeper in their net, but Blackwood THRIVED under him. Cory was no good under him because he was permanently broken, just like he was no good under Terreri the year before we hired Rollie. Kinkaid had the best season of his career under him, but then had his worst season and only lasted about 5 games after he left here before he was waived and became an AHL tweener, which he's remained ever since. He got a few starts last year for the Rangers when one of their goalies was injured for a while.

Kinkaid was a goalie that had a shelf life in the NHL and these types of goalies don't make it too far into their 30's and that's exactly what Kinkaid was. The only goalies of his type that really make it too far into their 30's is someone like Scott Clemmensen, who if you remember, didn't have much of an NHL career before he was about 31 years old and that only happened because of the Brodeur injury. Before he was nothing but an AHL goalie guy and spent two seasons with the NHL Devils playing 5-8 games a year and watching the other 74-77 games from the bench.

The only time we really heard of Marty being very hands on in hockey ops was when Shero was fired and he and Fitz were supposedly taking over the day to day duties for that time being until we named a permanent GM.

when it comes to goalies I would expect Brodeur has his say. We will see if Schmid outplays Daws over the long haul but they promote Daws anyway.

 

[Bleedred]

when it comes to goalies I would expect Brodeur has his say. We will see if Schmid outplays Daws over the long haul but they promote Daws anyway.

It seems Marty has been a bit MIA from what we can see, but like I've been saying a lot lately, team coverage has been quite the scarcity lately. For all I know, Marty could be on every single trip and in the room every day? I would suspect he's not, but I would also suspect he's around more than he seems to be.

 

[Bleedred]

Goals against review for the December 3rd, 2021 games

Devils vs Jets: 6 goals against Bernier, 2 stoppable. 2 goals against Blackwood in relief, 0 stoppable. 4 goals against Hellebuyck, 1 stoppable.

Sharks vs Rangers: 1 goal against Hill, 1 stoppable. Shesterkin and Georgiev combine for a shutout.

Golden Knights vs Coyotes: 1 goal against Brossoit, 0 stoppable. 7 goals against Vejmelka, 2 stoppable.

Flames vs Ducks: 3 goals against Vladar, 0 stoppable. 3 goals against Gibson, 0 stoppable.

Oilers vs Kraken: 4 goals against Skinner, 2 stoppable. 3 goals against Grubauer, 0 stoppable.

So that's 34 goals scored on goalies, 8 are stoppable. That's 24% of the goals scored were stoppable. Combined save percentages were .897%.

 

[Bleedred]

Softy of the night is Mark Scheifele on Bernier



There was really nothing else that could compete with this last night.

This goal is so bad it actually looks like it literally went right through Bernier’s stomach and literally into his body and back out of it.

 

[Bleedred]

Goals against review for the December 4th, 2021 games

Blues vs Panthers: 3 goals against Husso, 1 stoppable. 3 goals against Bobrovsky, 0 stoppable.

Canadiens vs Predators: 4 goals against Allen, 0 stoppable. 3 goals against Saros, 0 stoppable.

Maple Leafs vs Wild: 3 goals against Campbell, 0 stoppable. 3 goals against Talbot, 2 stoppable.

Lightning vs Bruins: 2 goals against Vasilevskiy, 1 stoppable. 3 goals against Swayman, 1 stoppable.

Avalanche vs Senators: 4 goals against Johansson, 0 stoppable. 2 goals against Annunen in relief, 1 stoppable. 5 goals against Forsberg, 1 stoppable.

Islanders vs Red Wings: 4 goals against Sorokin, 2 stoppable. 3 goals against Nedeljkovic, 0 stoppable.

Blue Jackets vs Capitals: 2 goals against Tarasov, 1 stoppable. 1 goal against Samsonov, 0 stoppable.

Sabres vs Hurricanes: 6 goals against Subban, 3 stoppable. 2 goals against Raanta, 0 stoppable.

Blackhawks vs Rangers: 3 goals against Lankinen, 0 stoppable. 2 goals against Georgiev, 0 stoppable.

Penguins vs Canucks: 1 goal against Jarry, 0 stoppable. 4 goals against Demko, 0 stoppable.

So that's 63 goals scored on goalies, 13 are stoppable. That's 21% of the goals scored were stoppable. Combined save percentages were .902%.

One sidenote. I can't find any video for the Tanner Jeannot goal on Jake Allen. There's no video for it on the NHL app, nor on their website when you do a search. I even went to twitter and couldn't find it. It's in none of the highlight videos they do for the game recaps. So Jake Allen gets a possible mulligan on that one since I didn't see it. It says ''Tip in'' so I'm assuming it was probably not a bad one, unless Jake Allen turned the puck over which led to the goal or if it was the type of ''Tip in'' goal on Bernier the night before on the fifth goal the Jets scored.

 

[Bleedred]

Softy of the night is this Jason Spezza goal on Cam Talbot



It’s an unlucky and freak goal, but it was too hard not to give this softy of the night.

 

[Bleedred]

Goals against review for the December 5th, 2021 games

Lightning vs Flyers: 1 goal against Elliott, 0 stoppable. 5 goals against Hart, 4 stoppable. 2 goals against Jones in relief, 0 stoppable.

Sharks vs Blue Jackets: 5 goals against Hill, 2 stoppable. 4 goals against Merzlikins, 1 stoppable.

Blackhawks vs Islanders: 2 goals against Fleury, 0 stoppable. 2 goals against Varlamov, 0 stoppable.

Kings vs Oilers: 1 goal against Quick, 0 stoppable. 5 goals against Koskinen, 2 stoppable.

Maple Leafs vs Jets: 6 goals against Woll, 1 stoppable. 3 goals against Hellebuyck, 2 stoppable.

Flames vs Golden Knights: 3 goals against Markstrom. 0 stoppable. 2 goals against Lehner, 0 stoppable.

So that's 41 goals scored on goalies, 12 are stoppable. That's 29% of the goals scored were stoppable.

Combined save percentages were .889%.

 

[Bleedred]

Softy of the night is this Matthieu Joseph goal on Carter Hart



It was almost like he wanted to put the final nail in AV’s coffin with this one lol.

 

[Bleedred]

Goals against review for the December 6th, 2021 games

Senators vs Devils: 2 goals against Forsberg, 1 stoppable. 2 goals against Blackwood, 1 stoppable.

Avalanche vs Flyers: 5 goals against Annunen, 1 stoppable. 7 goals against Jones, 3 stoppable.

Ducks vs Capitals: 3 goals against Gibson, 0 stoppable. 3 goals against Samsonov, 1 stoppable.

Coyotes vs Stars: 4 goals against Wedgewood, 1 stoppable. 1 goal against Holtby, 1 stoppable.

Kings vs Canucks: 4 goals against Petersen, 0 stoppable. Demko gets the shutout.

Penguins vs Kraken: 1 goal against DeSmith, 0 stoppable. 3 goals against Grubauer, 3 stoppable. 3 goals against Daccord in relief, 0 stoppable.

So that's 38 goals scored on goalies, 12 are stoppable. That's 32% of the goals scored were stoppable. Combined save percentages were .894%.

 

[Dialamo]

Softy of the night is this Matthieu Joseph goal on Carter Hart



It was almost like he wanted to put the final nail in AV’s coffin with this one lol.

Yeesh, the Flyers make us look like cup contenders by comparison!

Now watch us get smoked by the Flyers.....

 

[Bleedred]

Softy of the night is on Grubauer again and he’s back with his 5th or 6th softy of the night this year. Mikko Koskinen is very happy about this.

Softy of the night is this Jeff Carter goal on Grubauer.



That’s 23 stoppable goals on Grubauer, with 3 more added last night. Nobody else has even got 18 yet. 3 goals on 4 shots and all 3 were stoppable. He was done 5 minutes into the game.

 

[Bcap88]

 

[Bleedred]

Sometimes I feel like these are unlucky goals and I try not to give them a softy of the night, unless there's nothing better (or worse) that would warrant a softy of the night.

It definitely is an unlucky goal, but I still give the goalie a stoppable goal on it.

This is a new goalie from the looks of it. If tonight isn't his NHL debut, then he must only relief appearances or he hasn't allowed a goal I counted stoppable in the last 4 years because I don't have him in my database at all. I can't recall typing or seeing his name ever.

And Aaron Dell is dressed as the backup tonight, what the hell happened to Subban? Did he get exiled already after that game the other night (he sucked) or is he injured?

 

[Bleedred]

That goal was a tip right in front anyway. That wasn’t scored on the shot from behind the net. That won’t get a stoppable goal from me.

 

[Call Me Al]

i’m sorry if you’re marking that as stoppable it brings the whole scale into question. it’s literally something that had never been done before how do you expect a goalie to react?

 

[Call Me Al]

i now see your second post and stand down

 

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Goals against review for the December 7th, 2021 games

Blue Jackets vs Maple Leafs: 5 goals against Merzlikins, 2 stoppable. 4 goals against Campbell, 2 stoppable.

Lightning vs Canadiens: 2 goals against Vasilevskiy, 1 stoppable. 3 goals against Allen, 1 stoppable.

Islanders vs Senators: 3 goals against Sorokin, 1 stoppable. 5 goals against Gustavsson, 1 stoppable.

Predators vs Red Wings: 2 goals against Rittich, 0 stoppable. 4 goals against Nedeljkovic, 0 stoppable.

Ducks vs Sabres: 2 goals against Luukkonen, 0 stoppable. Stolarz gets the shutout.

Panthers vs Blues: 3 goals against Knight, 2 stoppable. 3 goals against Husso, 0 stoppable.

Hurricanes vs Jets: 2 goals against Andersen, 0 stoppable. 4 goals against Hellebuyck, 2 stoppable.

Rangers vs Blackhawks: 2 goals against Georgiev, 1 stoppable. 5 goals against Fleury, 1 stoppable.

Wild vs Oilers: 1 goal against Talbot, 0 stoppable. 4 goals against Koskinen, 1 stoppable.

Flames vs Sharks: 4 goals against Vladar, 1 stoppable. 3 goals against Hill, 0 stoppable.

So that's 62 goals scored on goalies, 16 are stoppable. That's 26% of the goals scored were stoppable. Combined save percentages were .895%.

 

[Bleedred]

Softy of the night is this Auston Matthews goal on Merzlikins



This was a horrible goal, but they don’t give you a conclusive enough replay.

 

[Bleedred]

Goals against review for the December 8th, 2021 games

Flyers vs Devils: 2 goals against Hart, 1 stoppable. Blackwood gets the shutout.

Avalanche vs Rangers: 3 goals against Kuemper, 1 stoppable. 7 goals against Huska, 3 stoppable.

Bruins vs Canucks: 1 goal against Swayman, 0 stoppable. 1 goal against Demko, 0 stoppable.

Stars vs Golden Knights: 5 goals agains Holtby, 3 stoppable. 3 goals against Lehner, 1 stoppable. 1 goal against Brossoit in relief, 1 stoppable.

So that’s 23 goals scored on goalies, 11 are stoppable. That’s 48% of the goals scored were stoppable. Combined save percentages were .910%.

 

[Emperoreddy]

If that puck slipped across the goal line on Hart would that be softie of the night?

 

[Bleedred]

If that puck slipped across the goal line on Hart would that be softie of the night?

I’m not sure if someone tipped that and it went through him and slid to the goal line or what? All I remember is seeing it on the goal line from the behind the net camera view, which is where the play was being shown for quite a bit before that. It even looked like the Flyers defenseman that fished it out was almost gonna put it over the goal line.

It might have been softy of the night though.

As far the softy of the night, I’m gonna hold off on that until tomorrow. It’s either gonna be the first Rantanen goal on Huska or one on Holtby.

The goal on Huska looks way worse on the replay on one of those angles than it did initially going in.

 

[Bleedred]

Softy of the night is this Michael Amadio goal on Braden Holtby