G Juuse Saros - HPK, FIN Liiga (2013, 99th, NSH)

Saros would be the no. 1 goalie in couple NHL teams, if he re-enters the Draft, Edmonton should draft him in the 2nd round, it would solve their goalie problems, but i don't see a scenario where Nashville doesn't sign him
That's a very bold claim, if you mean he would be a starter right now. Sure he has the potential to become a #1 goalie, but that's way too early to make such assumpitions based on the Finnish Liiga success and some international games. There's no guarantees how his size (or lack thereof) will affect him in the NHL where the shooters are that much better compared to anything he has faced become. Also while he has been very consistent so far in his career, the 82 game long NHL season is a whole other solar system.


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I'm quite sure he'll sign for Nashville. Rinne will be 33 this year and has already battled some tough injuries, so he is not going to be around forever. Saros will probably sign and get loaned for HPK for at least one season. You cannot have too many goalie prospects, and the better ones will always find a way to get to the top.
 
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That's a very bold claim, if you mean he would be a starter right now. Sure he has the potential to become a #1 goalie, but that's way too early to make such assumpitions based on the Finnish Liiga success and some international games. There's no guarantees how his size (or lack thereof) will affect him in the NHL where the shooters are that much better compared to anything he has faced become. Also while he has been very consistent so far in his career, the 82 game long NHL season is a whole other solar system.


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I'm quite sure he'll sign for Nashville. Rinne will be 33 this year and has already battled some tough injuries, so he is not going to be around forever. Saros will probably sign and get loaned for HPK for at least one season. You cannot have too many goalie prospects, and the better ones will always find a way to get to the top.

Have you seen Edmonton goalies, they absolutly suck! And Arizonas Mike Smith was horrific this year . But i see your point, tjose two organisations where AHL caliber this year
 
One thing worth of notice is Predators is in a hurry to sign him. If he doesn't get signed until 15th of June Saros would be re-entering the draft. Considering the depth of Nashville's goaltending and Rinne signed up until 2019 there's a decent possibility he may not sign ELC. Would be exciting to see how high he'd get drafted on the 2nd time around (with the resume Saros has) especially considering the draft year.

Nashville owns Saros' rights until June 1st, 2017. So they're in no hurry to sign him at this point. But don't think it'll take long after the World Championships for Saros to sign with the Predators.

I'm quite sure he'll sign for Nashville. Rinne will be 33 this year and has already battled some tough injuries, so he is not going to be around forever. Saros will probably sign and get loaned for HPK for at least one season. You cannot have too many goalie prospects, and the better ones will always find a way to get to the top.

Saros has already said it's likely he'll play in North America next season.
 
Saros will probably sign and get loaned for HPK for at least one season.
HPK has already signed Myllyniemi for next season and IIRC their coach or GM already commented during the season that Saros is heading to NA after this season.
 
Wonder how Saros feels now that he has seen both Husso and Rinne 'perform' in games that matter while he watches the action from bench... Ice hockey federation of Finland could face lawsuit for discrimination, for choosing starting goalie based on size, not talent or recent performances.
 
Wonder how Saros feels now that he has seen both Husso and Rinne 'perform' in games that matter while he watches the action from bench... Ice hockey federation of Finland could face lawsuit for discrimination, for choosing starting goalie based on size, not talent or recent performances.

Is this some kind of satire? There was no reason to just suddenly play Saros over Rinne.
 
Wonder how Saros feels now that he has seen both Husso and Rinne 'perform' in games that matter while he watches the action from bench... Ice hockey federation of Finland could face lawsuit for discrimination, for choosing starting goalie based on size, not talent or recent performances.

Wait...to be clear, you're saying that there should be legal action because Rinne was the starter in the NHL playoffs??? What?!
 
Wait...to be clear, you're saying that there should be legal action because Rinne was the starter in the NHL playoffs??? What?!

Yeah, good point, you could then make it a three team case... Saros v. ice hockey federation of Finland (national team and U-20 team) and Nashville Predators. An Apache warrior as Saro's lawyer. Atlanta-based Ben Matlock hired to defend the banjo men.

I'm just saying it must be mighty fine feeling to be there sitting and see these two towers costing Finland games while knowing you could do a better job. But of course you can't play him because size is more important than talent. Rinne for example gets more recognition for his huge contract than actual level of play. Despite the whole team situated in very defensive positions all tournament long. He isn't a difference maker. Rask and Saros are.

I saw Saros playing in the SM-liiga once this season. I didn't see him allowing any goals especially under or over him.
 
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Yeah, good point, you could then make it a three team case... Saros v. ice hockey federation of Finland (national team and U-20 team) and Nashville Predators. An Apache warrior as Saro's lawyer. Atlanta-based Ben Matlock hired to defend the banjo men.

I'm just saying it must be mighty fine feeling to be there sitting and see these two towers costing Finland games while knowing you could do a better job. But of course you can't play him because size is more important than talent. Rinne for example gets more recognition for his huge contract than actual level of play. Despite the whole team situated in very defensive positions all tournament long. He isn't a difference maker. Rask and Saros are.

I saw Saros playing in the SM-liiga once this season. I didn't see him allowing any goals especially under or over him.

Didn't Saros lose both games he played in the WJC this year? Didn't Rinne win the MVP award last year, and set a new shutout record this year?

Is it at all possible that these things mattered more than the size difference when Finland decided who to put in net against Czech Republic?
 
Didn't Saros lose both games he played in the WJC this year? Didn't Rinne win the MVP award last year, and set a new shutout record this year?

Doesn't the first apply to Saros also who took the gold medal in the previous WJC tournament yet was quite swiftly shown aside only because it was small Northern American rink... for others to shovel them in this time around.

Finland had last year more in form team plus coaching staff who had also seen some success so I wouldn't credit it all to Rinne's magical performance. He did his job. He didn't 'do the job' like Rask was asked to do in the Olympics for example which unfortunately would have been needed yesterday. Above average goalie isn't enough in these tournaments for current Finland like it wasn't for Nashville straightaway after they lost their edge in possession - providing incredible cover for the goalie while at it. Control.

Of course there was only small hope to see Saros play (to be given a proper chance at least would have been fair) after it was announced that the seven million dollar man, god goalie all the way from the NHL was coming over... Hell, Finland could have even got Mikko Koskinen to see whether he would be the guy Rinne unfortunately hasn't been.
 
Doesn't the first apply to Saros also who took the gold medal in the previous WJC tournament yet was quite swiftly shown aside only because it was small Northern American rink... for others to shovel them in this time around.

Finland had last year more in form team plus coaching staff who had also seen some success so I wouldn't credit it all to Rinne's magical performance. He did his job. He didn't 'do the job' like Rask was asked to do in the Olympics for example which unfortunately would have been needed yesterday. Above average goalie isn't enough in these tournaments for current Finland like it wasn't for Nashville straightaway after they lost their edge in possession - providing incredible cover for the goalie while at it. Control.

Of course there was only small hope to see Saros play (to be given a proper chance at least would have been fair) after it was announced that the seven million dollar man, god goalie all the way from the NHL was coming over... Hell, Finland could have even got Mikko Koskinen to see whether he would be the guy Rinne unfortunately hasn't been.

Wait, so do you want them to get the spot based on their play or not? Cause you toss Saros's poor play in the WJC aside based on how he performed a year and a half ago, but Rinne's play a year ago doesn't matter? You wanted Saros to be given the spot based on his shutout this tournament? But Rinne setting a record in minutes played without allowing a goal doesn't matter, he still shouldn't have played against Czech Republic?

Or was it based on their play in their respective leagues this year? Where Rinne has been named one of the three best goalies in the league?

You appear to be moving the goalposts. Why should Saros have been in net? Past performance, performance this tournament, your adamant belief that he's a winner like Rask (who has won what exactly?) or just because he's short and Rinne isn't?
 
Well, Rinne has made his career in small rink league where size is very much appreciated behind Nashville's either heavy defense-focused or heavy puck possession team. He is a first-choice NHL goalie. Maybe he is worth seven million dollars or not to you but certainly he isn't the best Finnish goalie out there based on these two latest tournaments.

This shutout record (which is longer if you include the name Saros also) was made mostly in walkover games behind a defence-first team. Nice record but that didn't help very much yesterday against Czech Republic where you would have wanted a performance out of him. Not so much in the rather meaningless group stage games against Norway, Denmark or Slovenia...

I don't know or very much remember if Rinne had anything to do with it but both Russia's and Czech Republic's powerplays have seemed to be world class against Finland in games where you wouldn't want the opponent suddenly play very effective, game-winning powerplay. So open has Rinne left his net.

For Saros I think it was very clear in WJC who was/is the most promising Finnish goalie prospect. No reason to start shuffling in rather meaningless games when you have the best goalie in the whole age group.

I would have liked to see Saros, Rask or Koskinen there since unlike Rinne, they at least haven't been yet proven to miss that little something that steals you victories in games like these. Not that it was all his fault but heavy loss still for such a defensive side.

This view of favouring Saros isn't so much based on this tournament alone since of course it's understandable that the guy with the biggest contract will get the job. Rinne doesn't even hardly get any blame from the media so it's easy to see why for a head coach it's quite easy to stick with the big name. Or even tie himself tighly around him like in this tournament which in my mind should be criticised.

Rinne didn't play a fantastic tournament. He isn't the only goalie in Finland. Nice guy and nice contract but one day Saros will end his reign.
 
Well, Rinne has made his career in small rink league where size is very much appreciated behind Nashville's either heavy defense-focused or heavy puck possession team. He is a first-choice NHL goalie. Maybe he is worth seven million dollars or not to you but certainly he isn't the best Finnish goalie out there based on these two latest tournaments.

This shutout record (which is longer if you include the name Saros also) was made mostly in walkover games behind a defence-first team. Nice record but that didn't help very much yesterday against Czech Republic where you would have wanted a performance out of him. Not so much in the rather meaningless group stage games against Norway, Denmark or Slovenia...

I don't know or very much remember if Rinne had anything to do with it but both Russia's and Czech Republic's powerplays have seemed to be world class against Finland in games where you wouldn't want the opponent suddenly play very effective, game-winning powerplay. So open has Rinne left his net.

For Saros I think it was very clear in WJC who was/is the most promising Finnish goalie prospect. No reason to start shuffling in rather meaningless games when you have the best goalie in the whole age group.

I would have liked to see Saros, Rask or Koskinen there since unlike Rinne, they at least haven't been yet proven to miss that little something that steals you victories in games like these. Not that it was all his fault but heavy loss still for such a defensive side.

This view of favouring Saros isn't so much based on this tournament alone since of course it's understandable that the guy with the biggest contract will get the job. Rinne doesn't even hardly get any blame from the media so it's easy to see why for a head coach it's quite easy to stick with the big name. Or even tie himself tighly around him like in this tournament which in my mind should be criticised.

Rinne didn't play a fantastic tournament. He isn't the only goalie in Finland. Nice guy and nice contract but one day Saros will end his reign.

Please just stop and watch some hockey.

We had 1 chance this year, 1 chance and that was Rinne.
Again noy giving any credit for last years MVP title from world championships. MVP last year and you are talking like he was ....... 2 years in a row.

Do you even follow nhl? Russia has Malkin-Tarasenko-Kovy-Panarin= offensive superstars, we have nothing close to those.

Czech has Voraceks who was a beast in the NHL this year, one of the best offensive player. Jagr wasn't bad either.

Media knows that Rinne was the only chance that this team had and he set a record, Pesonen ....... up that last goal, it should have never happened.

Rask has said to be injured, you can't seriously think that Saros would have won us a medal. Saros has done nothing that special to force us to sit Rinne and play him like #1, I how crazy hopes for him but his time is not yet, and yes he will overake Rinne but someone has to, everyone will retire one day.
 
Nashville owns Saros' rights until June 1st, 2017. So they're in no hurry to sign him at this point. But don't think it'll take long after the World Championships for Saros to sign with the Predators.



Saros has already said it's likely he'll play in North America next season.

Well, all this speculation is null anyway. He signed a 3-year deal with the Preds today.
 
Well, all this speculation is null anyway. He signed a 3-year deal with the Preds today.

Nope, that speculation in my post you quoted isn't null. It's all in the CBA. And I was also right in my speculation part of the post :)

Let's see if Saros can continue to dominate in North America as well.
 
Nope, that speculation in my post you quoted isn't null. It's all in the CBA. And I was also right in my speculation part of the post :)

Let's see if Saros can continue to dominate in North America as well.

I shouldn't have quoted your post...I just meant all the talk of the Preds losing his rights. Not happening.
 
So what are thoughts/projections for Saros to play this year in NA?
What role will he have?

Where does he slot vis-a-vis Hellberg in the NAS goalie factory?

Hutton is signed for one more year (this year), but then he prob goes right?
 
So what are thoughts/projections for Saros to play this year in NA?
What role will he have?

Where does he slot vis-a-vis Hellberg in the NAS goalie factory?

Hutton is signed for one more year (this year), but then he prob goes right?

#1 goalie for Nashville. Rinne is the best back-up Saros could hope for. A seasoned veteran who can help in Saros' transition to the NA game.
 
#1 goalie for Nashville. Rinne is the best back-up Saros could hope for. A seasoned veteran who can help in Saros' transition to the NA game.

Oh yeah. Lets just throw Saros to the wolves and use a 7 million Vezina-caliber goalie as his backup. Keep it real, shall we? It's not out of question that Saros takes the backup spot next year, but I'm 98% certain that he'll start the season in AHL.
 

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