Amazing Kreiderman
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It's the "every cow is an animal, but not every animal is a cow" argument if you know what I mean.
Speculation: Free Agent Frenzy Part VI: Someone Get Gorton A Vesey Button.
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It's the "every cow is an animal, but not every animal is a cow" argument if you know what I mean.
Synergy27
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Whereas Haomaru's post was intellectually dishonest, this post is just lacking intellect. I don't even know what the hell you're talking about.
haohmaru
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No, you're missing the point. You said it's essential to winning a Cup and I'm pointing out the Rangers had it in 2015-16. I never said it "automatically equals winning the Stanley Cup" , or that you said that, or anything remotely close to that.
haohmaru
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In what sense? All I'm pointing out is that the Rangers, recently, have had two top 5 guys in their prime who are/were considered elite players and they didn't get it done. I didn't get into team building, draft comparisons, level of "eliteness", or anything else. There isn't any dishonesty in that.
And, I'm sure if I were to expend the time and energy, I could find a whole host of teams with two top 5 picks, either their own or traded for, that weren't successful.
It's easy to make an argument when teams win around a generational player (Crosby) who plays with another almost generational player (Malkin) or a Toews/Kane combo where one was taken 3rd overall and the other 1st within a close timeframe and both became as successful as they are in the NHL. The fact is that most top draft picks will never be a Crosby. That's why he's "generational".
Draft as best as you can. Make trades to make the team better. Hire the right coaching staff. That's the best you can do.
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If you don’t get it - maybe your intellect is not sophisticated enough. But that’s ok.
The arbitration briefs are due 48 hours before the hearing date. Sunday for Skjei. Dubinsky in 2011, Stepan in 2015 and Kreider in 2016 all signed long term contract extensions the morning of the hearing.
Just two potential arbitration cases next season. Buchnevich and Pionk. Buchnevich will get a big long term contract if he has a big season. Gorton said the Rangers believe Buch is a top 6 forward and more opportunities will be there for him with Quinn as the coach. Pionk is a similar player to Troy Stecher. He signed a two year contract for $2.35M last week avoiding salary arbitration. Pionk put up better offensive numbers. He had 14 points in 28 games last season for the Rangers. 41 point pro-rated season. Maybe a little more than $2.35M in Pionk's case.
Just two potential arbitration cases next season. Buchnevich and Pionk. Buchnevich will get a big long term contract if he has a big season. Gorton said the Rangers believe Buch is a top 6 forward and more opportunities will be there for him with Quinn as the coach. Pionk is a similar player to Troy Stecher. He signed a two year contract for $2.35M last week avoiding salary arbitration. Pionk put up better offensive numbers. He had 14 points in 28 games last season for the Rangers. 41 point pro-rated season. Maybe a little more than $2.35M in Pionk's case.
KirkAlbuquerque
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holy shit this is the most boring offseason of all time
I would not underestimate the potential of him being in the line up on opening night.
I guess this is sort of true.
I think the key is to have your own top 5 guys who you draft and develop. Not only are you sure to get the best years out of them, you don't have to give up assets to get them.
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Not sure Nash and E Staal were really elite level players when they were both on the Rangers at the same time. I think both had injuries (prior and on the Rangers), Nash and the butt first thing was not being done by accident and E Staal was not the top line center just because of AV. E Staal seems to have recovered from whatever he was going through, yet his playoffs may be leaving something to be desired, and Nash was never quite the same goal scorer past the first several months of the 14/15 season.
I’ve been loving it, personally. No idiotic signings. No long term commitments to players in their late 20’s. Hired a coach who seems like the perfect candidate for our rebuild.
KirkAlbuquerque
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yeah i know but even around the league everything is dead after the Tavares deal. Seemed like Karlsson was going to get traded and set off a firestorm but that turned out to be a wet fart, and now the only thing we have to talk about is RFAs and arbitration zzzzzzz
Not true.
We've also had the displeasure of discussing the Oilers. McLeod. Boo Synergy Nieves. Analytic Nerd Stuff (Thank you, Silverfish & Machinehead). Thirty One has had his usual Zingers. RB has been mean to people. We've also discussed the fact that Buch is a lazy **** who should have been in the AHL all of last year. Zucc for Captain. Trade Zucc. Extend Zucc.
Things usually start slowing down after the free-agent frenzy first week or two of July.
You left out the "ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN DURR VEGAS!" discussion.
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Pionk is going to be an interesting player to monitor this season. He was getting top pair minutes after the deadline. I don't think he will be getting the same amount with a healthy Shattenkirk. Pionk's offensive numbers look great, but in the last few games of the season, looked atrocious and overwhelmed defensively. I still think he has 2nd pairing potential, but he's not there yet. He still needs a lot of work with his defensive positioning and is prone to mistakes with the puck. The Rangers have a heck of a player if he can minimize the mistakes and read coverage a bit better in the defensive zone (which I think he will be able to with a simpler defensive system). The next two seasons determine if he's a long term piece or not. No pressure.
The thing with Pionk was he also looked good during TC/Traverse last year. I think he should have made the team, personally, but at the start of last year we weren't in full rebuild mode.
Pionk is our most exciting defensive prospect, imo. And that's saying something considering we have some good looking kids with pedigree in our system. He's probably the guy I'm looking at the most at the start of this years TC.
Pionk is our most exciting defensive prospect, imo. And that's saying something considering we have some good looking kids with pedigree in our system. He's probably the guy I'm looking at the most at the start of this years TC.
They're not now but will be after the year. If you go to their individual play pages you'll see it says "Arbitration: one additional pro year required." That's because arbitration eligibility is based on pro years and age at which you signed your ELC. It's why some guys are never eligible, because they don't hit the pro years threshold for their ELC signing years when they reach RFA status.
So, assume Pionk and Buchnevich play "pro years" this season (which I believe is just 10 games) and they'll be player-elected arbitration eligible.
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Pionk is probably a third pairing righty D that can play up a bit when needed on a good team. I like him he's a total steal but I don't think we should go nuts over his upside.
Irishguy42
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Both of them need to complete one more pro year before they're arbitration eligible...which will happen once they complete the 2018-2019 season. Cap Friendly does make a note of this on their arbitration calculator.
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