Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5
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I will defend PD to a point in that he and other Sens brass most likely were told by medical professionals that Norris would be fine for the start of the season.
His mistake was signing Tarasenko as that was the contract that gave the team no cap flexibility . The team may have wanted VT but they really could not afford him.
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Kleven had a rough preseason, but looked solid last year in the 8 games he got. None of them are banging down the door, but are they really that significantly behind guys like Guenette and JBD? Any time you're looking at the 8th and 9th guys on your depth chart or lower, you're going to be a bit nervous.
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Brannstrom is a better than average third pairing dman and he's the dman most qualified to step into a top 4 role when there's an injury. Hamonic would be almost serviceable. And no one else in the organization is ready.
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It's a very delicate situation.
He signed Tarasenko to try to save his job. He needs the Sens to make the playoffs this year or he knows he is gone. This was an insurance move by adding some proven experience and firepower to the team; but we didn't need it.
This cap problem is entirely his own making.
Big Muddy
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Well yes, once go further down the depth chart than your 6D, typically the players are not stellar (an understatement). I feel a little better with our RD with JDB & Guenette, but I'm not calling them great players by any means. Like you, I'm hoping Kleven can step up and play OK if it comes down to that.
He's not better than the average 3rd pairing Dman. He's the same. And not wanting to trade him because a top 4 D might get hurt? Well Norris is hurt and more likely to get hurt again so I'd rather have Pinto in the lineup if it's a choice between having either Pinto or Brannstrom.
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My fake insider source told me Dorion had a deal in place because last week he was seen working the phones for hours in his office, but it turns out he was just trying to find a Gabriel Pizza that was open on Thanksgiving.
He has a NMC. The next best offer was Carolina at 3.5M. Going by that logic, there would only be a market for Tarasenko if Ottawa retained salary or took back a contract. I also doubt they would get anything back. It makes more sense to trade Kubalik for FC than to trade Tarasenko with half or close to half retention for FC. Especially when you consider how absurd it would be to trade him a game into the season.
If Tarasenko isn't working out, I could see a change of scenery deal a few months in where he gets to go somewhere that might give him a better chance at producing, and the Senators take a shot on a different player. Obviously, he would have to be open to a trade.
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Man its Dorion, of course he gave a NMC. He gave 2 years and a NMC to a 6/7 dman.
Will be disappointed if we trade Joseph or Branny over Kubalik.
Branny is perfect in his role as a 4/5D, can play both sides, and is on the PK. He is the ideal partner for Kleven next year or sooner. Wed only get a 2nd or 3rd rounder in return and dont have replacements in the system nor others available externally at the same price.
Joseph has a ton of speed, can play a limited top 6 role and score, can play the PK. $ is not an issue starting next year. Not to mention we’d have to give up a sweetener to trade him.
Kubalik just offers more of what we already have in Batherson + Tarasenko. Once Norris and Pinto are back, his spot on speciality teams will be non-existent. Plus we would likely get some draft capital in return. The fact that he just got here and who he was traded for shouldn’t even be considered.
Branny is perfect in his role as a 4/5D, can play both sides, and is on the PK. He is the ideal partner for Kleven next year or sooner. Wed only get a 2nd or 3rd rounder in return and dont have replacements in the system nor others available externally at the same price.
Joseph has a ton of speed, can play a limited top 6 role and score, can play the PK. $ is not an issue starting next year. Not to mention we’d have to give up a sweetener to trade him.
Kubalik just offers more of what we already have in Batherson + Tarasenko. Once Norris and Pinto are back, his spot on speciality teams will be non-existent. Plus we would likely get some draft capital in return. The fact that he just got here and who he was traded for shouldn’t even be considered.
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Senator Stanley
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It would be a fitting way for Dorion to go. The direct and predictable consequences of the decision he made to save his job end up costing him his job.
It's a no-trade clause, per CapFriendly. Not that the distinction really helps right now, but he could be sent to the minors.
Other teams know that this team is over a barrel, so regardless of whether it's Brannstrom, Joseph or Kubalik, they are definitely asking for a (significant) sweetener to take any of them on.
From an optics perspective, attaching a pick to move Kubalik would be career suicide for Pierre. You simply can't go from 7th overall > Debrincat > Kubalik > moving an asset to dump Kubalik in the span of 16 months. He'd get raked over the coals, more than he already is.
There'd be some people on this board who'd be, "well, actually, you can't forget about the 1st and Sebrango," but the general sense in the hockey world would be that Dorion is Milbury-esque. It'd seal his fate as a laughing stock.
Dorion is trying to do what's in the best interest of Ottawa, but also what's in the best interest of his career.
Unless Staios gets involved, Kubalik isn't going anywhere.
From an optics perspective, attaching a pick to move Kubalik would be career suicide for Pierre. You simply can't go from 7th overall > Debrincat > Kubalik > moving an asset to dump Kubalik in the span of 16 months. He'd get raked over the coals, more than he already is.
There'd be some people on this board who'd be, "well, actually, you can't forget about the 1st and Sebrango," but the general sense in the hockey world would be that Dorion is Milbury-esque. It'd seal his fate as a laughing stock.
Dorion is trying to do what's in the best interest of Ottawa, but also what's in the best interest of his career.
Unless Staios gets involved, Kubalik isn't going anywhere.
You are deluding yourself on the value of Brannstrom. Since when is he a 4/5 Dman? Why is he the ideal partner for Kleven? In a perfect world I want him to remain on the team but if trading him gets Pinto on the ice I'm all for it.
Since Brannstrom filled in for Chabot at the end of last season when he was injured and did decently. Did you watch last season? I'm being an ass on purpose but the logic is offensive minded d player with heavy big defensive player. Anything else you'd like spelt out?
f*** Kubalic trade him already and get the bean train rolling let's go.
Then call up a RD and manage the minutes so that Chabot, Chychrun or Sanderson is always on the ice.
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Senator Stanley
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At this point, Dorion must just be hoping he gets lucky. Someone on the roster gets hurt and has to go on LTIR, or another team has an injury and suddenly values one of our moveable pieces enough to make a trade.
It's not like Dorion just now revealed his incompetence. It's been evident for years. But he's finally reached a point where the bad decisions have caught up to him and where he has a boss who's ready to hold him accountable.
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Well I did watch last season and Brannstrom was OK. And he would be a reasonable partner with Kleven but certainly not an "ideal" partner. Brannstrom is a lightweight offensive player that does precious little in the way of offensive creation. But if the team can trade Kubalik instead of Brannstrom I'm OK with that as well. Bottom line is I want Pinto on the team and to do that somebody has to go.
P.S. It's "spelled" not "spelt".
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Obviously a less than ideal situation but the strength on the blue line makes me more inclined to see Brannstrom move. It’s nice to have him as a player who can move up in the even of inevitable injuries but if he is playing sub 15 minutes most nights I think he is the more replaceable option.
