Proposal: Free agency edition Trade Rumours/Proposals [MOD - Stay on Topic] 5

[Ouroboros]

Trading Brannstrom doesn't even help you that much. The cheapest guy you can replace him with is Dillon Heatherington at 762.5k which gives you 1.2375M in space. If you waive Chartier that gives you 2.0125M to sign Pinto. Is that even enough? Not to mention you now have a bottom pairing that you can't put on the ice under any circumstances.

If you recall Kleven you only have 1.86M for Pinto. Neither scenario allows you to carry any spares or have any margin for injuries.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I wonder...is Brannstrom maybe the asset Dorion is trying to attach to Joseph? Or possibly what someone has asked for?

I'm not sure... because moving Brannstrom alone doesn't solve the cap issue. It has to be a forward roster player to move to create room for Pinto, both on the roster and under the cap. So moving Brannstrom accomplishes nothing in terms of improving the situation for returning Pinto to the team.

So unless it is to acquire an asset to attach to Joseph (odd scenario, if that is the case), then perhaps this is either what is being offered or asked for? Why else is Brannstrom being discussed?

I think moving Brann and then calling up Heatherington and sending Greig or Chartier down they get to a bit over 2m. I don't know what Pinto's magic number is.

They'd be tight to the cap. 13, 6 with Norris and Pinto in.

Joseph or Kubalik would give them a little more flexibility to swap players in making a little more

 

[Bileur]

Trading Brannstrom doesn't even help you that much. The cheapest guy you can replace him with is Dillon Heatherington at 762.5k which gives you 1.2375M in space. If you waive Chartier that gives you 2.0125M to sign Pinto. Is that even enough? Not to mention you now have a bottom pairing that you can't put on the ice under any circumstances.

If you recall Kleven you only have 1.86M for Pinto. Neither scenario allows you to carry any spares or have any margin for injuries.

It doesn’t add up does it? Kubalik’s 2.5 at least gives a little more flexibility.

 

[Slippy]

I think moving Brann and then calling up Heatherington and sending Greig or Chartier down they get to a bit over 2m. I don't know what Pinto's magic number is.

I'd rather not sacrifice defensive depth, which this team has been chasing for years. Some may have other preferences over Brannstrom, but I certainly would not want to replace him as the Sens #6 defenceman with the lowest possible salary. And yes I understand this is all to try and get Pinto back on the roster, but this weakens one area of the team to try and improve another. And again the cap savings is minimal and very difficult with any injuries, unless they are LTIR, and jeebus that is not something I want to be rooting for this season.

Move a forward. It just makes sense.

 

[Ouroboros]

It doesn’t add up does it? Kubalik’s 2.5 at least gives a little more flexibility.

It's still pretty tight even with Kubalik gone, but it would make more sense. Regardless, it seems like Dorion won't even consider moving him for some reason. The only names that ever come up are Joseph and Brannstrom.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It's still pretty tight even with Kubalik gone, but it would make more sense. Regardless, it seems like Dorion won't even consider moving him for some reason. The only names that ever come up are Joseph and Brannstrom.

I don't think Dorion is any kind of architect in piecing together a team. He showed it last year and he's shown it this year. That's going to have to change.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Trading Brannstrom doesn't even help you that much. The cheapest guy you can replace him with is Dillon Heatherington at 762.5k which gives you 1.2375M in space. If you waive Chartier that gives you 2.0125M to sign Pinto. Is that even enough? Not to mention you now have a bottom pairing that you can't put on the ice under any circumstances.

If you recall Kleven you only have 1.86M for Pinto. Neither scenario allows you to carry any spares or have any margin for injuries.

Trading Brannstrom helps sign Pinto @ 2M or less.

It doesn't fix the cap mess that has caused them to have no healthy scratches (or 1 healthy scratch with everybody healthy).

There isn't a reasonable way to fix that with Pinto signed at 2 years. They would have to trade multiple players, which isn't happening. Even trading Joseph still only gets them up to a 22 player roster with Pinto at 2M.

They will play shorthanded in some form all year. It will only be resolved if someone with a cap hit great enough to cover 3 or so 775k-1M type bodies ends up out for the season and is placed on LTIR (with the Senators cap appropriately situated to get back a large enough LTIR pool to cover those extra bodies).

 

[Ouroboros]

Trading Brannstrom helps sign Pinto @ 2M or less.

It doesn't fix the cap mess that has caused them to have no healthy scratches (or 1 healthy scratch with everybody healthy).

There isn't a reasonable way to fix that with Pinto signed at 2 years. They would have to trade multiple players, which isn't happening. Even trading Joseph still only gets them up to a 22 player roster with Pinto at 2M.

They will play shorthanded in some form all year. It will only be resolved if someone with a cap hit great enough to cover 3 or so 775k-1M type bodies ends up out for the season and is placed on LTIR (with the Senators cap appropriately situated to get back a large enough LTIR pool to cover those extra bodies).

Technically, yes, you can swap Brannstrom out and put Pinto in at 2M. But should you? How can Dorion possibly think it's a good idea to use Dillon Heatherington and Travis Hamonic as a defense pairing in 2023? Seems counter-productive.

Can't believe Dorion has put me in a position where I'm now advocating for Erik Brannstrom. The world has gone insane!

I'm still of the opinion that no trade should be made until they have clarity on Norris. If it's true that he's going to play this weekend then we aren't far away from knowing just how bad his shoulder actually is. He could easily be out for the season by this time next week.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Technically, yes, you can swap Brannstrom out and put Pinto in at 2M. But should you? How can Dorion possibly think it's a good idea to use Dillon Heatherington and Travis Hamonic as a defense pairing in 2023? Seems counter-productive.

Can't believe Dorion has put me in a position where I'm now advocating for Erik Brannstrom. The world has gone insane!

I'm still of the opinion that no trade should be made until they have clarity on Norris. If it's true that he's going to play this weekend then we aren't far away from knowing just how bad his shoulder actually is. He could easily be out for the season by this time next week.

An upgrade on our 2C from Greig, Chartier, or whoever to Shane Pinto is much bigger of a need than keeping Brannstrom in place of whoever else would be the #5 or #6 in his place.

Between Sanderson, Zub, Chabot, and Chychrun, our top 4 is a major position of strength that mitigates the need for any real luxury on the bottom pair. We could get away with playing our bottom pair for a few minutes a night at ES, which is what happened in Carolina.

 

[NB613]

I mean Kleven will take Branny’s spot soon enough

I’d feel more confident if Kleven had a better camp though. Moving Brann hurts a lot of injuries happen too

What an embarrassment for Dorion though, looks very bad on him. Just has to find a way out of it

I dont get this take. Isn’t Kleven the perfect complement to Branny and a perfectly timed replacement for Hamonic?

 

[DrEasy]

Trading Brannstrom doesn't even help you that much. The cheapest guy you can replace him with is Dillon Heatherington at 762.5k which gives you 1.2375M in space. If you waive Chartier that gives you 2.0125M to sign Pinto. Is that even enough? Not to mention you now have a bottom pairing that you can't put on the ice under any circumstances.

If you recall Kleven you only have 1.86M for Pinto. Neither scenario allows you to carry any spares or have any margin for injuries.

Isn't the idea to trade Brannstrom for a pick or something, and waive Joseph. Ideally Joseph clears waivers, and you get to keep him for when you have room again under the cap.

Waiving Joseph alone doesn't seem to create enough room, but trading Brannstrom on top of that should.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Isn't the idea to trade Brannstrom for a pick or something, and waive Joseph. Ideally Joseph clears waivers, and you get to keep him for when you have room again under the cap.

Waiving Joseph alone doesn't seem to create enough room, but trading Brannstrom on top of that should.

The rumoured offer to Pinto is 2x2. If he accepts that, then Brannstrom is money in/money out.

Waiving Joseph+Brannstrom out frees up 3.125M of cap. That would give the Senators 3.18762M of cap. That isn't enough to sign Pinto at 2.5M and bring up an extra body with their current roster as it is. Also, Joseph is likely much better than whoever the replacement body is, and he had a strong pre-season and first game.

They need to move both Kubalik and Brannstrom to sign Pinto and free up enough to somewhat improve their issue with healthy scratches. They likely won't do that. They will trade one of them and play short-handed.

I just don't see the rationale in paying to move Joseph right now because it will be easier to move him next season when the cap goes up and teams have more cap flexibility. He is also more valuable to this current lineup than Kubalik or Brannstrom. Kublaik or Brannstrom will either bring back a small asset, or take a lesser sweetener if there are no real takers as they are.

The only reason to move Joseph right now is if someone offers the Senators a great deal, like taking Joseph for a 2nd, which is what he might cost to move next off season. That, or if there is truth to the Flyers liking Boucher, and the Senators no longer value him like a 1st round pick. Although, I would be reticent to move Boucher.

 

[DrEasy]

The rumoured offer to Pinto is 2x2. If he accepts that, then Brannstrom is money in/money out.

Waiving Joseph+Brannstrom out frees up 3.125M of cap. That would give the Senators 3.18762M of cap. That isn't enough to sign Pinto at 2.5M and bring up an extra body with their current roster as it is. Also, Joseph is likely much better than whoever the replacement body is, and he had a strong pre-season and first game.

They need to move both Kubalik and Brannstrom to sign Pinto and free up enough to somewhat improve their issue with healthy scratches. They likely won't do that. They will trade one of them and play short-handed.

I just don't see the rationale in paying to move Joseph right now because it will be easier to move him next season when the cap goes up and teams have more cap flexibility. He is also more valuable to this current lineup than Kubalik or Brannstrom. Kublaik or Brannstrom will either bring back a small asset, or take a lesser sweetener if there are no real takers as they are.

The only reason to move Joseph right now is if someone offers the Senators a great deal, like taking Joseph for a 2nd, which is what he might cost to move next off season. That, or if there is truth to the Flyers liking Boucher, and the Senators no longer value him like a 1st round pick. Although, I would be reticent to move Boucher.

Thanks, this is helpful. Just the bolded doesn't make sense to me: why would they even consider moving Joseph next year when there will be no cap issues to begin with? Our problem is only for this year.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

Thanks, this is helpful. Just the bolded doesn't make sense to me: why would they even consider moving Joseph next year when there will be no cap issues to begin with? Our problem is only for this year.

They have cap flexibility next season, but they will want to spend the max cap possible to improve the team. If they see Joseph as being replaceable by a player who makes 2M less than he does, they might trade him to open cap to fill another need.

They had cap flexibility this off season as well. Look where they are now. They had about 15 million or so at the start of the off season with Debrincat, Brannstrom, and Pinto as the only prominent free agents.

This team is hilarious sometimes. They go from being a weird budget team to the biggest compulsive spender in the league. I will never be happy.

 

[Sensinitis]

Moving Joseph really hurts our bottom six depth, and he’s not that overpaid if he improves on last season (which he should).

Are we allowed to trade some of our buyouts (Del Zotto, Murray, Ryan)? I forgot the rules, does someone know?

 

[BondraTime]

Moving Joseph really hurts our bottom six depth, and he’s not that overpaid if he improves on last season (which he should).

Are we allowed to trade some of our buyouts (Del Zotto, Murray, Ryan)? I forgot the rules, does someone know?

Can’t trade dead cap

 

[bert]

It's still pretty tight even with Kubalik gone, but it would make more sense. Regardless, it seems like Dorion won't even consider moving him for some reason. The only names that ever come up are Joseph and Brannstrom.

He tell you this himself?........

 

[Big Muddy]

Technically, yes, you can swap Brannstrom out and put Pinto in at 2M. But should you? How can Dorion possibly think it's a good idea to use Dillon Heatherington and Travis Hamonic as a defense pairing in 2023? Seems counter-productive.

Can't believe Dorion has put me in a position where I'm now advocating for Erik Brannstrom. The world has gone insane!

I'm still of the opinion that no trade should be made until they have clarity on Norris. If it's true that he's going to play this weekend then we aren't far away from knowing just how bad his shoulder actually is. He could easily be out for the season by this time next week.

It does seem like there aren't a lot of depth defenders that are LD. Guenette, JBD & Mantipalo are all RD or are listed as such on CapFriendly. Weird situation.

 

[GCK]

Kubalik and Brannstrom are both on 1 year deals and create sufficient room to sign Pinto. Both leave a hole but I’d rather plug one of those holes than go without Pinto. I wonder if either Kubalik or Brannstrom would get claimed on waivers because neither are returning anything trade.

 

[Big Muddy]

Kubalik and Brannstrom are both on 1 year deals and create sufficient room to sign Pinto. Both leave a hole but I’d rather plug one of those holes than go without Pinto. I wonder if either Kubalik or Brannstrom would get claimed on waivers because neither are returning anything trade.

So waive BOTH Kubalik AND Brannstrom then and hope neither get claimed off waivers? I think that's what you are trying to say (also suggested by others a few posts up).

That makes the Debrincat return from Detroit look more meager but that doesn't make much difference and is water under the bridge at this point.

 

[slamigo]

Any GM looking at the Sens would have prioritized signing Pinto over signing Brannstrom or Hamonic. Finding a 5-6D, even one within the org, is a lot easier than resigning your up and coming 3C. Add in the fact that the team's 2C was injured and recovering from surgery and signing the 3C should have taken precedence. Dorion hoped Norris would be healthy but had no way of knowing. So really, it is inexcusable for Dorion to have painted himself into this corner.

 

[dmarc]

Dorion is an idiot whatever his plan A was (TML buying out Murray, hoping Pinto would sign for 1 million)? Whatever it was he's clearly not prepared for a GM of a cap team if he didnt have a plan C, D, E etc

The fact that Pinto remains unsigned an nothing seems to be moving on that front is a fireable offense

 

[Micklebot]

It does seem like there aren't a lot of depth defenders that are LD. Guenette, JBD & Mantipalo are all RD or are listed as such on CapFriendly. Weird situation.

Kleven, Sebrango, Hamara, Larson and Heatherington, none are ideal, but all are probably callup options depending on who is playing best at the time, but Kleven is probably the only one with a future on the team.

 

[Big Muddy]

Kleven, Sebrango, Hamara, Larson and Heatherington, none are ideal, but all are probably callup options depending on who is playing best at the time, but Kleven is probably the only one with a future on the team.

I'd put the emphasis on "not ideal". I'd be rather nervous if we had to play any of those you've listed for more than a game or two. JMHO.

 

[DueDiligence]

Technically, yes, you can swap Brannstrom out and put Pinto in at 2M. But should you? How can Dorion possibly think it's a good idea to use Dillon Heatherington and Travis Hamonic as a defense pairing in 2023? Seems counter-productive.

Can't believe Dorion has put me in a position where I'm now advocating for Erik Brannstrom. The world has gone insane!

I'm still of the opinion that no trade should be made until they have clarity on Norris. If it's true that he's going to play this weekend then we aren't far away from knowing just how bad his shoulder actually is. He could easily be out for the season by this time next week.

The point is that Brannstrom is just an Ok 3rd pairing Dman. Replacing him with Heatherington or Guenette is not the huge drop-off you make it out to be. If needed you occasionally break up the Chabot Chychrun pairing and have the following:

Chabot and Zub
Sanderson and Hamonic
Chychrun with Heatherington /Guenette