Proposal: Fowler for a Jets winger

[KingJoffrey]

Jets don't have right pieces to make trade for Fowler. Ehlers, Laine and Connor are way too valuable and rest of their forward prospect are three tiers below that. Roslovic is the closest one, but he's still far away from Fowlers value. And Ducks need forward help NOW, not in future.

 

[BrianFromAIH]

If it takes Connor + to get Fowler, then there isn't a deal to be made here. The only piece in comparative value that the Jets have is Myers, but he's a defenseman and irrelevant in this conversation.

 

[Kraken Jokes]

A little off topic here but I'm surprised to see so many talking about a prospect like Petan like he's garbage. It looks like he had a pretty good rookie season in the AHL and he'd make the Ducks lineup, I'm sure of it. Lowry is a very good young player as well.

 

[Hunter368]

A little off topic here but I'm surprised to see so many talking about a prospect like Petan like he's garbage. It looks like he had a pretty good rookie season in the AHL and he'd make the Ducks lineup, I'm sure of it. Lowry is a very good young player as well.

Both are good, but there's a large gap in opinion between what Jets & Ducks fans believe Fowler is worth/ability so that leads to some of the negative comments. It's all good, typical day on hfb no biggie either way.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

A little off topic here but I'm surprised to see so many talking about a prospect like Petan like he's garbage. It looks like he had a pretty good rookie season in the AHL and he'd make the Ducks lineup, I'm sure of it. Lowry is a very good young player as well.

Its not that they are bad but they def are not going to be a main piece to land you a top 4 dmen with top 2 upside(who has played both positions throughout his career).

In all honesty I could prob make the ducks lineup right now... we have an ahl player on every line and 2 on the 4th line and I don't really think we trust our forward pool enough to feel comfortable with that line up.

I don't expect us to get a Hall for fowler trade, but I think a forward in the next tier is prob within range or a pretty offensive upside forward prospect.

The difference between the pieces that would make sense for the ducks and the pieces the jets would want to trade(fan base wise) is very far spread. I don't blame the jets for not wanting to move the pieces of interest from a ducks perspective, they are realistically a year(maybe 2) from being a real contender, and with no guarantee fowler would be there for their window def devalues him from a jets perspective. At the same time I'm sure there would be much better offers then someone like a petan or lowry for fowler around. At the same time people are under the impression we have to trade fowler which isn't true(and id gladly keep him), he just holds the most value in a position of strength for our team to improve or forward lines if we want/need.

 

[sully1410]

I'd trade you Dano because Fowler isn't that good.

 

[dracom]

I'd trade you Dano because Fowler isn't that good.

And we'll easily say no, because there are people out there that actually watch Fowler play and don't just look at his fancy stats.

 

[sully1410]

And we'll easily say no, because there are people out there that actually watch Fowler play and don't just look at his fancy stats.

I've seen fowler play. I live in Calgary, so I watch a lot of pacific hockey.

So I reiterate. I would trade you Dano...because Fowler isn't very good.

I don't know what else to tell you. Just because he plays for Anaheim doesn't mean the sun shines out of his every orfice. The numbers say he is constantly out chanced and out shot. I watch a game and you see the exact same thing...and he is horrendous in his own end.

 

[dracom]

I've seen fowler play. I live in Calgary, so I watch a lot of pacific hockey.

So I reiterate. I would trade you Dano...because Fowler isn't very good.

I don't know what else to tell you. Just because he plays for Anaheim doesn't mean the sun shines out of his every orfice. The numbers say he is constantly out chanced and out shot. I watch a game and you see the exact same thing...and he is horrendous in his own end.

And I'm a Ducks fans who watches every game he plays, and I disagree. He's elite at clearing the puck. One of the best skaters in the league. The only fault Fowler really has that is a major problem is lack of physicality. Oh yeah, don't forget his skillset is better used as an offensive defensemen, but he's been tasked to be a shutdown defensemen against teams top lines while playing with guys like Bieksa and Lovejoy. The Ducks wouldn't be a good team if a terrible player was playing the minutes Fowler does for the past few seasons. Just another example of people using fancy stats without context, nothing new here.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

I've seen fowler play. I live in Calgary, so I watch a lot of pacific hockey.

So I reiterate. I would trade you Dano...because Fowler isn't very good.

I don't know what else to tell you. Just because he plays for Anaheim doesn't mean the sun shines out of his every orfice. The numbers say he is constantly out chanced and out shot. I watch a game and you see the exact same thing...and he is horrendous in his own end.

He's a puck mover asked to carry a top pairing defensively, of course his shot suppression and possession numbers will suffer.

 

[dracom]

He's a puck mover asked to carry a top pairing defensively, of course his shot suppression and possession numbers will suffer.

Just like Weber and Josi, both terrible fancy stats, so they must also be terrible.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Kinda the point I'm trying to make. I think the OP might be misguided, but I don't think he was intentionally trying to devalue Fowler. The idea that a good or very good defenseman in Fowler is worth Wheeler (T-6th in the NHL for points), Scheifele (led the league in scoring for the last ~30 games), Laine (Liiga playoff MVP, WJHC 3rd leading scorer, WHC MVP) or Connor (NCAA scoring leader as a freshman, outscored Eichel's freshman year) is trying to be insulting, and it's a snippy "let's get back at 'em" kinda thing to say.

I also don't think the comments I'm referring to should be judged in the context of what they're responding to, especially considering a lack of intent by the OP.

Anyway, Fowler's good enough for me. I'd like to have him, but I wouldn't consider giving up any of those 4 guys. The OPs list is actually basically accurate in terms of who we're willing to move, and wouldn't hurt the Ducks salary-wise. I think he was just kinda trying to start a conversation, as opposed to offering any kind of 1 for 1 swap. To add to it, Drew Stafford or Matthieu Perreault, draft picks, salary retention or cap dumps would be possible as well.

I want Trouba but I'm only willing to give up one of Bozak, Dermott,Rychel, Leivo, Holland.
Thoughts?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I want Trouba but I'm only willing to give up one of Kapanen, Dermott, Rychel, Leivo.
Thoughts?

Seeing as trouba demanded a trade, has no currant contract and is in thee same range as fowler as a defensemen

sounds like fair value

 

[lindholmie]

I've seen fowler play. I live in Calgary, so I watch a lot of pacific hockey.

So I reiterate. I would trade you Dano...because Fowler isn't very good.

I don't know what else to tell you. Just because he plays for Anaheim doesn't mean the sun shines out of his every orfice. The numbers say he is constantly out chanced and out shot. I watch a game and you see the exact same thing...and he is horrendous in his own end.

Yet his numbers say he's is elite at getting the puck out of the D zone and has one of the lowest turnover rate %

 

[Ducks in a row]

I've seen fowler play. I live in Calgary, so I watch a lot of pacific hockey.

So I reiterate. I would trade you Dano...because Fowler isn't very good.

I don't know what else to tell you. Just because he plays for Anaheim doesn't mean the sun shines out of his every orfice. The numbers say he is constantly out chanced and out shot. I watch a game and you see the exact same thing...and he is horrendous in his own end.

Fowler is a good young defenseman who has to carry 3rd pair quality defenseman while facing opposing teams scorers and getting more defensive zone starts. I am pretty sure your judging Fowler not based on watching him and judging him but based on advanced stats. According to those damn hero charts Schultz > Fowler shows how much they mean which is not a whole lot.

Just because he plays for Anaheim doesn't mean he is good. Ducks will admit when someone isn't that good we don't just call someone good because they play for our team. If you think Fowler is horrendous in his own end you don't watch him enough or are a poor judge for judging defenseman.

 

[Hunter368]

I've seen fowler play. I live in Calgary, so I watch a lot of pacific hockey.

So I reiterate. I would trade you Dano...because Fowler isn't very good.

I don't know what else to tell you. Just because he plays for Anaheim doesn't mean the sun shines out of his every orfice. The numbers say he is constantly out chanced and out shot. I watch a game and you see the exact same thing...and he is horrendous in his own end.

I would be pissed if we even gave up Dano for Fowler, literally zero interest in the guy (he's far from what we need/want). That being said you won't convince Ducks fans he isn't top pairing guy (glad their happy with him), so wouldn't waste your breath. Let the Ducks keep him or trade him to the Leafs, hopefully one of them sign him long term at big bucks after his current contract.

I wish Fowler all the best.....on some other team.

 

[Daximus]

Fowler for Petan is probably the most you'd get out of me.

 

[dracom]

Don't get me wrong I would trade for Fowler (stated this in the past as well) but only for the right price.

IMO yes all of those players except Dano. IMO Dano+ would be reasonable and my top price (value wise).

I would be pissed if we even gave up Dano for Fowler, literally zero interest in the guy

So many contradictory comments from one person...why?

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

I would be pissed if we even gave up Dano for Fowler, literally zero interest in the guy (he's far from what we need/want). That being said you won't convince Ducks fans he isn't top pairing guy (glad their happy with him), so wouldn't waste your breath. Let the Ducks keep him or trade him to the Leafs, hopefully one of them sign him long term at big bucks after his current contract.

I wish Fowler all the best.....on some other team.

In the sense that he played top pair on our team the last few years, yes he is.

He isn't best suited for top pairing unless you have like a beauchmin or weber type to pair him with, but he can certainly fill in during injuries or if needed. He is better used as a complimnatry top pair guy or a good 2nd pairing guy.

Just because fowler gets under rated on Hfboards doesn't mean youd be mad if you guys received fowler for dano... I don't think fowler would disappoint very many teams he went too unless they were expecting him to be an elite #1.

 

[Hunter368]

So many contradictory comments from one person...why?

My statements aren't contradictory, I would trade Dano for him but I would pissed.

Pissed b/c we would be throwing away a 3rd line prospect for two years of Fowler who is not ideal or what we need. Fowler would be a poor bridge for us.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

My statements aren't contradictory, I would trade Dano for him but I would pissed.

Pissed b/c we would be throwing away a 3rd line prospect for two years of Fowler who is not ideal or what we need. Fowler would be a poor bridge for us.

haha you may be the only person in the world that would be upset about trading a "3rd line prospect" for a top 4 dmen with top 2 experience.


Granted like I said before fowler contract doesn't really fit in the jets window seeing as his contract will be done by the time you guys start to be contenders.

Its really only "throwing away" if you guys aree looking for top picks the next 2 seasons.

 

[Hunter368]

In the sense that he played top pair on our team the last few years, yes he is.

He isn't best suited for top pairing unless you have like a beauchmin or weber type to pair him with, but he can certainly fill in during injuries or if needed. He is better used as a complimnatry top pair guy or a good 2nd pairing guy.

Just because fowler gets under rated on Hfboards doesn't mean youd be mad if you guys received fowler for dano... I don't think fowler would disappoint very many teams he went too unless they were expecting him to be an elite #1.

We've played Chariot, Toby and Stuart in similar roles and they've been successful as well in complimentary ways. But that's not what we need/want. I'm not insulting Fowler, he just isn't what we need. We need a stud at top pairing LHD who isn't just complimentary role player. Plus who is signed long term.

Fowler won't disappoint a team as long as they don't expect too much from him. If you expect him to be a top pairing stud LHD you will be disappointed. If you just want a complimentary role player or a 3/4 Dman sure if you only want a guy for two years until he cashes in.....then fowler is fine.

Jets would only want fowler as a bridge guy, you don't pay big for bridge guys.

 

[Hunter368]

haha you may be the only person in the world that would be upset about trading a "3rd line prospect" for a top 4 dmen with top 2 experience.


Granted like I said before fowler contract doesn't really fit in the jets window seeing as his contract will be done by the time you guys start to be contenders.

Its really only "throwing away" if you guys aree looking for top picks the next 2 seasons.

As you stated yourself, why throw away a 3rd line prospect lock with top 6 potential for a "ok" 3/4 guy when his contract ends before our window opens? Throwing away assets like that gets GM fired potentially if he does that 2-3 times. I wouldn't be happy if they did. Shooting ourselves in the foot.

Much sooner keep Dano and roll with Toby and Josh.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

We've played Chariot, Toby and Stuart in similar roles and they've been successful as well in complimentary ways. But that's not what we need/want. I'm not insulting Fowler, he just isn't what we need. We need a stud at top pairing LHD who isn't just complimentary role player. Plus who is signed long term.

Fowler won't disappoint a team as long as they don't expect too much from him. If you expect him to be a top pairing stud LHD you will be disappointed. If you just want a complimentary role player or a 3/4 Dman sure if you only want a guy for two years until he cashes in.....then fowler is fine.

Jets would only want fowler as a bridge guy, you don't pay big for bridge guys.

To get a top pairing LHD you should expect to pay with 1 of Laine Connor or Ehlers... I'm not sure your fan base is ready for that kinda move.

 

[Hunter368]

To get a top pairing LHD you should expect to pay with 1 of Laine Connor or Ehlers... I'm not sure your fan base is ready for that kinda move.

I don't disagree with you, but as fans we don't know if any are truely available.

I'll say this if any did become available that were young, signed long term to reasonable deals.....you can bet Chevy would be calling.......and jets fans would be offering a pretty penny on the forum as well.