Proposal: Fowler for a Jets winger

[Ducks Nation*]

Jets need defense and Ducks need wingers and need to reduce costs. Would any of these forwards work for Fowler?
Most are less than $1 million cap hit range:

Shawn Matthias $2,300,000
Alexander Burmistrov. $1,550,000
Chris Thorburn $1,200,000
Marko Dano $925,000
Andrew Copp $925,000
Brandon Tanev $925,000
Joel Armia. $894,167
Brendan Lemieux $870,000
Quinton Howden $850,500
Adam Lowry $828,333
Nicolas Petan $758,333
Chase De Leo $720,833
Scott Kosmachuk $720,000
Anthony Peluso $675,000
James Lodge $668,333
JC Lipon

That list still gets me

 

[Canada4Gold]

If we ignored contract limits I don't think the Ducks would even take all of those forwards for Fowler

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Yeah none of those guys will get you Cam Fowler, And the odds that BM deals Fowler to another Western Conference foe is pretty slim to nothing.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Jets need defense and Ducks need wingers and need to reduce costs. Would any of these forwards work for Fowler?
Most are less than $1 million cap hit range:

Shawn Matthias $2,300,000
Alexander Burmistrov. $1,550,000
Chris Thorburn $1,200,000
Marko Dano $925,000
Andrew Copp $925,000
Brandon Tanev $925,000
Joel Armia. $894,167
Brendan Lemieux $870,000
Quinton Howden $850,500
Adam Lowry $828,333
Nicolas Petan $758,333
Chase De Leo $720,833
Scott Kosmachuk $720,000
Anthony Peluso $675,000
James Lodge $668,333
JC Lipon

This list is pretty bad, And none of these players get you a D man of Fowler's caliber.

 

[Flair Hay]

If Fowler is what I kind of think he is (an okay 2-3) than he is still a great price for what he brings.

Fowler and a pick for JVR and some retention still makes a lot of sense to me.

 

[Hunter368]

If Fowler is what I kind of think he is (an okay 2-3) than he is still a great price for what he brings.

Fowler and a pick for JVR and some retention still makes a lot of sense to me.

I agree a deal around Fowler/jvr makes more sense then any deal with the Jets. Jets don't have a big enough need/desire to pay for Fowler.

 

[JetsHomer]

oh yeah the series where jets fans tried to convince everyone before hand that adam lowry would shut down the ducks top line and that bryan little was better than kesler

Little is better than Kesler

 

[Jeti]

Little is better than Kesler

Regular season, sure. Kesler was the best player of that series for either team though. Getzlaf and Perry were sleepwalking and the Jets best players were pretty banged up (Buff and Ladd had rib injuries IIRC, Trouba had a broken hand).

 

[DudeWhereIsMakar]

How about Fowler for Stafford, Lipon and Lowry

 

[dracom]

How about Fowler for Stafford, Lipon and Lowry

Way too much salary coming back. Hard pass.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

How about Fowler for Stafford, Lipon and Lowry

How about no, Stafford makes way more then Fowler, And Anaheim needs to shed salary. And besides Stafford is a RW and Anaheim is seeking a top 6 LW Anaheim has no use for Stafford.

 

[CanadienShark]

I think Connor+ or Ehlers seems fair.

 

[Curufinwe]

Not fair for two years of Fowler.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I think Connor+ or Ehlers seems fair.

For 2 years of Fowler, I highly doubt that. Even Cheveldayoff isn't that crazy.

 

[CanadienShark]

For 2 years of Fowler, I highly doubt that. Even Cheveldayoff isn't that crazy.

I'm sure it'd be a non issue if they could discuss a rough framework for a deal beforehand. I think people are really underrating Fowler here, and the value that GMs place on having X amount of years left. He's got two full years to try and sign a guy who fits your team like a glove. It's not a deadline deal, he has term.

 

[JetsHomer]

I'm sure it'd be a non issue if they could discuss a rough framework for a deal beforehand. I think people are really underrating Fowler here, and the value that GMs place on having X amount of years left. He's got two full years to try and sign a guy who fits your team like a glove. It's not a deadline deal, he has term.

You can't begin negotiations for contract extensions until July 1st of the last year of a player's deal

 

[CanadienShark]

You can't begin negotiations for contract extensions until July 1st of the last year of a player's deal

Not negotiations. Just have a rough idea of what both sides are looking for. Nothing would be set in stone of course.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I'm sure it'd be a non issue if they could discuss a rough framework for a deal beforehand. I think people are really underrating Fowler here, and the value that GMs place on having X amount of years left. He's got two full years to try and sign a guy who fits your team like a glove. It's not a deadline deal, he has term.

Still don't see Cheveldayoff moving either Connor or Ehlers for Fowler even if he was willing to sign long term with Winnipeg and i'm not sure if he would. Fowler would be decent there he would be a nice pairing with Buff. Both Connor and Ehler's have just to much potential to trade for Fowler. Morrissey should be fine don't really think Winnipeg needs Fowler and i would be surprised if BM was willing to deal him to another Western Conference team.

 

[buttman*]

Jets need defense and Ducks need wingers and need to reduce costs. Would any of these forwards work for Fowler?
Most are less than $1 million cap hit range:

Shawn Matthias $2,300,000
Alexander Burmistrov. $1,550,000
Chris Thorburn $1,200,000
Marko Dano $925,000
Andrew Copp $925,000
Brandon Tanev $925,000
Joel Armia. $894,167
Brendan Lemieux $870,000
Quinton Howden $850,500
Adam Lowry $828,333
Nicolas Petan $758,333
Chase De Leo $720,833
Scott Kosmachuk $720,000
Anthony Peluso $675,000
James Lodge $668,333
JC Lipon

All the Jets third, fourth and minor league garbage. Good one Jets' fan.

 

[Flair Hay]

All the Jets third, fourth and minor league garbage. Good one Jets' fan.

Basically yeah.

 

[Hunter368]

I think Connor+ or Ehlers seems fair.

Zero interest in Fowler at that cost, no chance. Easy pass

 

[10Ducky10]

I admit I didn't read much past the first post or three but Fowler is an UFA after 2 more seasons.
Fowler for Petan and Dano...Petan in 2nd year of ELC and Dano in the 3rd...
Dano is ready to start and Petan needs another season in the AHL.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

I feel like we'll see him sign before he's traded, giving other teams a much better idea on his actual trade value.

I'm of the opinion that that's the last thing that's going to happen. Trouba wants control over where he plays. There's a possibility that he's already nixed a completed trade by refusing to negotiate a contract with the team he was to be sent to. In fact, in another thread, someone said that Hextall backed out of a trade for a 'very good young defenseman' because his agent was a nightmare. Speculation was that the defenseman was Trouba.

If Trouba does sign with the Jets, then he couldn't do anything to stop us from sending him anywhere we want, as he's surely not getting any kind of NMC/NTC in any contract he signs with Chevy.

As far as the OP, those players listed obviously aren't anywhere near equivalent value for Fowler. Fowler is probably right in that 2/3 range. I would be fine with seeing him play 2nd pairing on our team. That said, guys mentioning Connor, Wheeler, Ehlers, Laine... that's ridiculous and probably intentionally provocative. Obviously those 4 players are head and shoulders above Fowler in terms of value right now.

 

[Sojourn]

I'm of the opinion that that's the last thing that's going to happen. Trouba wants control over where he plays. There's a possibility that he's already nixed a completed trade by refusing to negotiate a contract with the team he was to be sent to. In fact, in another thread, someone said that Hextall backed out of a trade for a 'very good young defenseman' because his agent was a nightmare. Speculation was that the defenseman was Trouba.

If Trouba does sign with the Jets, then he couldn't do anything to stop us from sending him anywhere we want, as he's surely not getting any kind of NMC/NTC in any contract he signs with Chevy.

As far as the OP, those players listed obviously aren't anywhere near equivalent value for Fowler. Fowler is probably right in that 2/3 range. I would be fine with seeing him play 2nd pairing on our team. That said, guys mentioning Connor, Wheeler, Ehlers, Laine... that's ridiculous and probably intentionally provocative. Obviously those 4 players are head and shoulders above Fowler in terms of value right now.

If naming any of those four players is intentionally provocative, then the list in the OP is blatantly provocative.

 

[heilongjetsfan]

If naming any of those four players is intentionally provocative, then the list in the OP is blatantly provocative.

Kinda the point I'm trying to make. I think the OP might be misguided, but I don't think he was intentionally trying to devalue Fowler. The idea that a good or very good defenseman in Fowler is worth Wheeler (T-6th in the NHL for points), Scheifele (led the league in scoring for the last ~30 games), Laine (Liiga playoff MVP, WJHC 3rd leading scorer, WHC MVP) or Connor (NCAA scoring leader as a freshman, outscored Eichel's freshman year) is trying to be insulting, and it's a snippy "let's get back at 'em" kinda thing to say.

I also don't think the comments I'm referring to should be judged in the context of what they're responding to, especially considering a lack of intent by the OP.

Anyway, Fowler's good enough for me. I'd like to have him, but I wouldn't consider giving up any of those 4 guys. The OPs list is actually basically accurate in terms of who we're willing to move, and wouldn't hurt the Ducks salary-wise. I think he was just kinda trying to start a conversation, as opposed to offering any kind of 1 for 1 swap. To add to it, Drew Stafford or Matthieu Perreault, draft picks, salary retention or cap dumps would be possible as well.