Proposal: Fowler for a Jets winger

[dracom]

My statements aren't contradictory, I would trade Dano for him but I would pissed.

Pissed b/c we would be throwing away a 3rd line prospect for two years of Fowler who is not ideal or what we need. Fowler would be a poor bridge for us.

You say you would trade for Fowler, you even say would trade Dano+ for Fowler and it would be reasonable. Then you say you would be pissed if you ever gave up Dano for Fowler, then say you have zero interest in him. Make up your mind, you can't keep saying you would want Fowler when talking to Ducks fans, but then say you have no interest in him when talking to Jets fans. Pick a side.

 

[Daximus]

With the recent surge from Morrissey, who has been playing with Buff in the last few games, Fowler would probably be #3 on the depth chart for LD. Which is essentially what we need. A bottom 4 guy. Someone who can play 2nd pairing in a pinch but is more suited to a 3rd pairing role. You give up someone like Dano, Petan, Burmi or Lowry for. Nothing more really.

 

[heffbe]

With the recent surge from Morrissey, who has been playing with Buff in the last few games, Fowler would probably be #3 on the depth chart for LD. Which is essentially what we need. A bottom 4 guy. Someone who can play 2nd pairing in a pinch but is more suited to a 3rd pairing role. You give up someone like Dano, Petan, Burmi or Lowry for. Nothing more really.

Fowler is a third pairing defenseman eh?

 

[lindholmie]

With the recent surge from Morrissey, who has been playing with Buff in the last few games, Fowler would probably be #3 on the depth chart for LD. Which is essentially what we need. A bottom 4 guy. Someone who can play 2nd pairing in a pinch but is more suited to a 3rd pairing role. You give up someone like Dano, Petan, Burmi or Lowry for. Nothing more really.

Lmao that's the stupidest reasoning holy ****

 

[lindholmie]

Jets fans really hate the ducks and fowler. I wonder if it's because Theodore and larsson have surpassed morrisey and they are kinda jealous

 

[JetsHomer]

Jets fans really hate the ducks and fowler. I wonder if it's because Theodore and larsson have surpassed morrisey and they are kinda jealous

Theodore is going to be playing in the AHL while Morrissey is primed to play beside Byfuglien in the NHL. How do you figure he's passed Morrissey? Because he put up more points on a Gulls team that almost put up a goal a game more than Morrissey's Moose team?

 

[Hunter368]

You say you would trade for Fowler, you even say would trade Dano+ for Fowler and it would be reasonable. Then you say you would be pissed if you ever gave up Dano for Fowler, then say you have zero interest in him. Make up your mind, you can't keep saying you would want Fowler when talking to Ducks fans, but then say you have no interest in him when talking to Jets fans. Pick a side.

No. If you follow my chain of posts, I've stated many times ideally Josh M steals the job (looks like he has) then Chevy can trade Trouba for BPA (forward) plus a good lhd prospect.


Fowler would only be a last ditch emergency type of option. Ideally we don't have to go that route. But if we did I would reluctantly give up Dano so Fowler becomes our bridge for the next two years.

You will not find a single post from me advocating Fowler as a good or best option for the Jets. Perhaps you misunderstood a previous post of mine or I wasn't clear enough.

To be clear, Fowler would be a emergency option, not ideal, not desired.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Theodore is going to be playing in the AHL while Morrissey is primed to play beside Byfuglien in the NHL. How do you figure he's passed Morrissey? Because he put up more points on a Gulls team that almost put up a goal a game more than Morrissey's Moose team?

Im impressed he made the Jets with all their defensive depth and all

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

No. If you follow my chain of posts, I've stated many times ideally Josh M steals the job (looks like he has) then Chevy can trade Trouba for BPA (forward) plus a good lhd prospect.


Fowler would only be a last ditch emergency type of option. Ideally we don't have to go that route. But if we did I would reluctantly give up Dano so Fowler becomes our bridge for the next two years.

You will not find a single post from me advocating Fowler as a good or best option for the Jets. Perhaps you misunderstood a previous post of mine or I wasn't clear enough.

To be clear, Fowler would be a emergency option, not ideal, not desired.

Take into consideration, a jet fans made the post we didn't have any interest in the Jets as trade partners any how.

 

[Hunter368]

Jets fans really hate the ducks and fowler. I wonder if it's because Theodore and larsson have surpassed morrisey and they are kinda jealous

Don't hate ducks or Fowler, wish both all the best. We just evaluate Fowler completely differently then you, how is that hate? How is having no desire to trade for a player we see as poor hate for a team or player?

Ducks have several good players that I love.

 

[Hunter368]

Take into consideration, a jet fans made the post we didn't have any interest in the Jets as trade partners any how.

I know, there was talk on the Jets forum about what lhd might be available in a emergency if Josh didn't make the team, and yet might be cheap to get to act as a emergency bridge. Thus why Fowler thread made and the players offered reflected that. So expected this thread to be created beforehand and it's going like I expected. Jets offering what we feel he's worth/what we're comfortable throwing away for two years of Fowler and ducks fans claiming he's top pairing and wanting the moon.

 

[Daximus]

Fowler is a third pairing defenseman eh?

He would be on the Jets.

Morrissey - Buff
Enstrom - Myers
Fowler - Postma

He likely fits in on the 3rd pairing. Morrissey is playing with Buff right now. Trouba could sign but not sure yet.

Lmao that's the stupidest reasoning holy ****

Pretty solid reasoning. Why would we give up more for someone to play a bottom pairing role? He won't be in our top 4 without an injury. If you don't want it move on.

Jets fans really hate the ducks and fowler. I wonder if it's because Theodore and larsson have surpassed morrisey and they are kinda jealous

Well that reeks of insecurity.

 

[JetsHomer]

Im impressed he made the Jets with all their defensive depth and all

Theodore can't make a Ducks team that is minus Lindholm?

Those in glass houses

 

[Daximus]

Im impressed he made the Jets with all their defensive depth and all

We don't have much defensive depth, hence why we want Fowler for our bottom pairing.

 

[Goose of Reason]

We don't have much defensive depth, hence why we want Fowler for our bottom pairing.

If Fowler is on your bottom pairing you have the best depth in the league by far. What an adorable assertion.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Theodore can't make a Ducks team that is minus Lindholm?

Those in glass houses

Proving my point

You realize my point was your teams lack of defensive depth... implying it isn't too hard to make it as a jets defensemen this year.


Ducks don't have the same problem, our problem is @ the forward position.


The reason Theodore isn't making there is because
1) We have fowler Vatanen Bieska Despres Manson(and lindholm when hes back) with holzer and stoner as viable 3rd pairing options.
2) Hes battling vs guys like Larsson and Montour who are both pretty good defensive prospects in their own right.

Until we make a move or 2... chances are Theodore wont be up with the club, but he deserves to be. He played well in his time with the ducks last year and got a solid look as a top4 when we were faced with injuries.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

We don't have much defensive depth, hence why we want Fowler for our bottom pairing.

I can just about guarantee you if you had fowler hed be on that top pair with buff... that's the problem with what you said.

 

[nbducksfan19]

No. If you follow my chain of posts, I've stated many times ideally Josh M steals the job (looks like he has) then Chevy can trade Trouba for BPA (forward) plus a good lhd prospect.


Fowler would only be a last ditch emergency type of option. Ideally we don't have to go that route. But if we did I would reluctantly give up Dano so Fowler becomes our bridge for the next two years.

You will not find a single post from me advocating Fowler as a good or best option for the Jets. Perhaps you misunderstood a previous post of mine or I wasn't clear enough.

To be clear, Fowler would be a emergency option, not ideal, not desired.

Jets fans are so silly. If you don't value Fowler, think he is worth so little, and that he isn't a fit, why waste your time discussing low-ball trade offers that make no sense for the ducks? The ducks obviously view him as a clear top 4 and likely top paring Dman and that is why he gets the minutes he does on the number 1 defensive team in the NHL last year. So if you, or your team, don't view him that way or have a need for a top 4 D man then why even bother discussing it.

The ducks don't need Tyler Myers, so you won't see me arguing the jets should trade him to us for Julius Nattinen, because Myers would be a #4 or #5 Dman on our team...You know why, because it makes no sense. If that is what Tyler Myers is worth to the ducks, then there is no deal there and the Jets would just look elsewhere for a higher return.

 

[nbducksfan19]

I know, there was talk on the Jets forum about what lhd might be available in a emergency if Josh didn't make the team, and yet might be cheap to get to act as a emergency bridge. Thus why Fowler thread made and the players offered reflected that. So expected this thread to be created beforehand and it's going like I expected. Jets offering what we feel he's worth/what we're comfortable throwing away for two years of Fowler and ducks fans claiming he's top pairing and wanting the moon.

God Forbid ducks fan's claim to know more about there players than you. Its not like we are blind homers, we will tell you when players suck (see Bieksa, Stoner and Despres lately). But anyone who watches the ducks games religiously sees how Cam is used and understands that his usage will have a big impact on the possession numbers, which get continuously used by ignorant posters who use them to support their preconceived notions. At the end of the day, if the value you want to assign to Fowler is an unwanted 2 year bridge to buy time for what appears to be an upcoming Jets Dynasty, then there is no deal that could possibly happen as the Ducks usage of Cam alone indicates they (rightfully) value him much higher than that.

 

[nbducksfan19]

He would be on the Jets.

Morrissey - Buff
Enstrom - Myers
Fowler - Postma

He likely fits in on the 3rd pairing. Morrissey is playing with Buff right now. Trouba could sign but not sure yet.



Pretty solid reasoning. Why would we give up more for someone to play a bottom pairing role? He won't be in our top 4 without an injury. If you don't want it move on.



Well that reeks of insecurity.

I just don't understand how a team who can't even make the playoffs would have such incredible Dmen, that the #1 Dman on the #1 defensive team in the league would be a 3rd liner.

 

[Daximus]

If Fowler is on your bottom pairing you have the best depth in the league by far. What an adorable assertion.

No not even close. Fowler isn't that good. Many teams would still have better depth.

I can just about guarantee you if you had fowler hed be on that top pair with buff... that's the problem with what you said.

Morrissey has earned that spot with some exceptional play so far. He's been our best defencemen game in and game out. Kid has taken a huge step forward. If we trade for Fowler he doesn't get gifted that spot simply because he had more minutes in Anaheim. And he likely isn't beating out Enstrom for 2nd pairing either.

 

[Daximus]

God Forbid ducks fan's claim to know more about there players than you. Its not like we are blind homers, we will tell you when players suck (see Bieksa, Stoner and Despres lately). But anyone who watches the ducks games religiously sees how Cam is used and understands that his usage will have a big impact on the possession numbers, which get continuously used by ignorant posters who use them to support their preconceived notions. At the end of the day, if the value you want to assign to Fowler is an unwanted 2 year bridge to buy time for what appears to be an upcoming Jets Dynasty, then there is no deal that could possibly happen as the Ducks usage of Cam alone indicates they (rightfully) value him much higher than that.

The thing is good shutdown defencemen still have good possession numbers.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

No not even close. Fowler isn't that good. Many teams would still have better depth.



Morrissey has earned that spot with some exceptional play so far. He's been our best defencemen game in and game out. Kid has taken a huge step forward. If we trade for Fowler he doesn't get gifted that spot simply because he had more minutes in Anaheim. And he likely isn't beating out Enstrom for 2nd pairing either.

Oh Morrissey has had a good preseason... why didn't you say so that changes everything

Morrissey is basically being gifted that spot because you guys have no other options hes really not beating anyone out for that position.

 

[Daximus]

I just don't understand how a team who can't even make the playoffs would have such incredible Dmen, that the #1 Dman on the #1 defensive team in the league would be a 3rd liner.

I hardly doubt that the reason Anaheim had the lowest goals against in the league last year was entirely because of Cam Fowler. You do have one of the best defensive centers in the game and some pretty solid goaltenders. Don't undersell them to pump Fowlers tires. I mean a good portion of your forward core Kesler, Cogliano and Silfverberg take on some pretty hefty dzone time themselves. In the playoffs Lindholm saw far more Dzone time than Fowler, had better possession metrics and saw only slightly less icetime.

 

[nbducksfan19]

The thing is good shutdown defencemen still have good possession numbers.

I see your displaying your lack of understanding of Fowler's usage. He is not just a shutdown Dman - he is used situationally. His biggest strength and what sets him apart is his ability to skate pucks out of the D-zone, thus he always leads the team in Defensive Zone Starts. Guess what, when you consistently start in your Dzone, you are much more likely to be on the wrong side of stats like corsi which measure shot attempt differential...You switch his role with someone like Vatanen and you could turn Fowler into a corsi darling.