Confirmed with Link: Flyers sign Noah Cates to ELC (March 27, 2022)

[Beef Invictus]

I guess that he thought that Macleod was an even match.

It doesn't un-hit TK. If anyone else gets a chance to blast him in this game, they'll do it too.

 

[renberg]

It doesn't un-hit TK. If anyone else gets a chance to blast him in this game, they'll do it too.

Then the same goes for Hughes. You can't expect the officials to keep the play under control. If the opposition cheap shots your best players w/o a penalty or retaliation, they will do it all night. Sometimes the best way to stop that stuff is to go tit for tat. The teammates know that and respect the guys that stand up for them.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Then the same goes for Hughes. You can't expect the officials to keep the play under control. If the opposition cheap shots your best players w/o a penalty or retaliation, they will do it all night. Sometimes the best way to stop that stuff is to go tit for tat. The teammates know that and respect the guys that stand up for them.

Deslauriers can't even catch Hughes.

And again, here comes the major PP. That they score on.

This entire theory banks on the clock, rules, and enforcement all winding back three decades. Shy of that shattering of the fabric of space-time, Deslauriers has no value.

 

[Ironmanrulez]

It's not the 90s anymore. Deslauriers does that and hands the opposition a 9 minute PP. The Devil's laugh and thank him as they score.

Would've been good for the Tank and good for entertainment. But they cant do anything right!

 

[Ironmanrulez]

Deslauriers can't even catch Hughes.

And again, here comes the major PP. That they score on.

This entire theory banks on the clock, rules, and enforcement all winding back three decades. Shy of that shattering of the fabric of space-time, Deslauriers has no value.

I still believe the flyers should trade for all bad but brutal hockey players left in the nhl. And play a Broad Street Bullies style. Loose every game 10:1 cause of penalties. After 3 seasons of being the worst team in the nhl the Mythos of "hard to play against" should finaly be gone. With the draft picks and a new Front Office we can rebuild our franchise and our image.

 

[deadhead]

NJ played Hughes against Frost, but avoided Cates - respect!
Cates among the top defensive centers in the league.
His offense is a work in progress, Minn-Duluth makes Hakstol look like a radical offensive minded HC.

 

[Curufinwe]

And when we don't break the current season into arbitrary small samples, the rates are:

Frost - 1.53 ESP/60 in 29 games - 354:04

Cates - 0.88 ESP/60 in 30 games - 410:51.

Full season results:

Frost - 2.17 ESP/60 in 81 games - 1131:48

Cates - 1.46 ESP/60 in 82 games - 1153:21.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Since they played almost exactly the same amount of minutes, we can just look at the total numbers.

Frost - 41 (30 primary)

Cates - 28 (18 primary)

 

[Tripod]

Yeah but....

 

[Beef Invictus]

Full season results:

Frost - 2.17 ESP/60 in 81 games - 1131:48

Cates - 1.46 ESP/60 in 82 games - 1153:21.

Player Season Totals - Natural Stat Trick

Since they played almost exactly the same amount of minutes, we can just look at the total numbers.

Frost - 41 (30 primary)

Cates - 28 (18 primary)

Cates:
xGA/60: 2.69

Frost:
xGA/60: 2.89

Frost is expected to allow one extra goal in every five full games worth of ice time, and that's with spending half the season chained to slobs. I don't feel like doing any exact math, but Frost outscored his opposition at a rate that Cates' defensive ability alone doesn't match.

Scoring wins. Cates doesn't score enough. Maybe someday he'll be given usage in line with that.

Edit: Frost also clearly outperformed in HDCF% and SCF%. Cates allowed fewer in each case, as expected, but Frost generates so much more than he comes out on top there.

Scoring wins games.

And really, it's gross that we are even having to directly compare these two players. The team forces it to happen. They're very different players. Their values are broken.

 

[Starat327]

Cates:
xGA/60: 2.69

Frost:
xGA/60: 2.89

Frost is expected to allow one extra goal in every five full games worth of ice time, and that's with spending half the season chained to slobs. I don't feel like doing any exact math, but Frost outscored his opposition at a rate that Cates' defensive ability alone doesn't match.

Scoring wins. Cates doesn't score enough. Maybe someday he'll be given usage in line with that.

Edit: Frost also clearly outperformed in HDCF% and SCF%. Cates allowed fewer in each case, as expected, but Frost generates so much more than he comes out on top there.

Scoring wins games.

And really, it's gross that we are even having to directly compare these two players. The team forces it to happen. They're very different players. Their values are broken.

If my math is right, 81 x 16.22 is roughly 22 games. So call it 5 goals against by rounding up.

Frost at 19 - 5= 14 > 13 for Cates. Oversimplifting a bit maybe, but...

 

[gertbfrobe16]

The crux of the biscuit is the apostrophe