Five members from Canada’s 2018 world junior team (Hart, McLeod, Dube, Foote and Formenton) told to surrender to police, facing sexual assault charges

[Korpse]

I feel for the fans of those teams that have players suspected as being part of this.

There’s no reason, you should feel like for the posters who constantly brought up specific names and referenced jail for players who at this time don’t appear to be involved. Was embarrassing how some seemingly were rooting for players to be involved based on allegiance rather than actually caring about the incident. Rather than discussing the incident and problems within the hockey world too many wanted to make allegations of players on opposing teams.

 

[kingsholygrail]

It could also be that the other players made some deal for immunity? Although idk if you can get immunity for such a serious crime.

It could be a lot of things, but yeah, it can expand to more players or even slim down if they feel that some of the ones being brought in are in a lesser charge scenario and are willing to testify against the bigger fish.

 

[John Mandalorian]

These guys careers are done. No way a team is taking on that PR nightmare after a “suspension”. They will be persona non grata in the NHL

Ken Holland.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

How do you know this? Are you able to travel through time and space and observe what really happened in every instance of a rape allegation?

The studies have been posted in this very thread, and only cover (naturally) reported allegations. No TARDIS required.

 

[joestevens29]

If there is merit to the charges and they result in eventual convictions, the only fans I feel for are the kids who may've idolized one of these players and the parents who have to explain why that player isn't around. I wonder if teams, in that situation, would do jersey buybacks and the like.

Should be easy enough to say they aren't playing hockey anymore.

No real different than if a kid idolizes someone that retires due to age or injury. Not really lying to the kid either.

 

[kingsholygrail]

They have a tape where the victim allegedly makes some kind of statement the night of. Everything rides on if she was inebriated enough and/or coerced on that video to be clearly unable to give consent.

It's such muddy waters when it comes to alcohol. If being drunk means you can't give consent and you have two or more parties that are drunk, who is guilty?

 

[AlphaLackey]

Pulling out a camera for prove of consent after sex doesn't sound insecure/paranoid at all...

You underestimate how the level of concern among young sexually active men has grown since sexual assault hearings American campuses have turned into kangaroo courts. Certainly to a high enough degree that it would be a folly to assume it’s a sign of guilt.

Human beings, yes men and women alike, show a propensity to show oversized concern to some risks, with no rhyme nor reason.

 

[Coffey]

For a second I was thinking maybe the NHLs new mental health program is now getting players actually getting help for their problems....

Nah, the secret is they were always mentally ill.

The studies have been posted in this very thread, and only cover (naturally) reported allegations. No TARDIS required.

Who you calling a tardis?

 

[AlphaLackey]

It's such muddy waters when it comes to alcohol. If being drunk means you can't give consent and you have two or more parties that are drunk, who is guilty?

To far too many people, the man and the man alone.

 

[Maple Leaf]

WOW

 

[The Kingslayer]

If there is merit to the charges and they result in eventual convictions, the only fans I feel for are the kids who may've idolized one of these players and the parents who have to explain why that player isn't around. I wonder if teams, in that situation, would do jersey buybacks and the like.

My friends kid is a huge Carter Hart fan. Hart gave him a puck at a game in Edmonton. It would suck for him and Flyer fans if he was involved.

 

[Zirakzigil]

thanks for this!

I wonder what the "legal action" was for and if it was a legit legal complaint.



I mean, dont get me wrong. Im all for sites running things their way, I just find it hilarious when people say "you're stifling my freedom of speech right" (those of us in the US of course)

Random posters:

HF Admin:

"This is Modtatorship!"

 

[Kennerback]

It's such muddy waters when it comes to alcohol. If being drunk means you can't give consent and you have two or more parties that are drunk, who is guilty?

Even if the players were also drunk, if the prosecution can prove she was unable to consent the players are guilty.

 

[I Hate Blake Coleman]

Even when charges are laid, these guys might not be named if there is a publication ban.

 

[awegrzyn]

Not Guilty Just Yet.

 

[Soundwave]

These guys careers are done. No way a team is taking on that PR nightmare after a “suspension”. They will be persona non grata in the NHL

It would depend on the particulars of the case, the supposed "pizza guy" who just came up to get some pizza probably will be allowed to return to play.

 

[Heldig]

You underestimate how the level of concern among young sexually active men has grown since sexual assault hearings American campuses have turned into kangaroo courts. Certainly to a high enough degree that it would be a folly to assume it’s a sign of guilt.

Human beings, yes men and women alike, show a propensity to show oversized concern to some risks, with no rhyme nor reason.

Hopefully you are not equating what happened at the Hockey Canada event to a typical sexual event?

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

Nah, the secret is they were always mentally ill.


Who you calling a tardis?

People assume that time is a strict progression of cause to effect, but actually, from a nonlinear, non-subjective viewpoint, it's more like a big ball of wibbly-wobbly, timey-wimey... stuff.

 

[Gregsky99]

Question. The lady was paid out before to settle right? For the lawyers out there, does that payout have any relevance to this case in that the players may get a lesser sentence or because they were guilty once and paid out, it might make any potential sentence less?

 

[Golden_Jet]

Serious question: why just five players have to report?

From what I read there were eight of them in that hotel room? What about the other three?

Maybe you’ll find out February 5th, but likely if 8 were there, they don’t have evidence to charge 3 of them.

 

[The Hanging Jowl]

No idea if anyone wants to hear this but in my high school days, the bro-hockey dudes were the worst people I remember. Nothing would surprise me from them. I actually struggle with it watching the NHL and I justify it in my mind by assuming the average guy that can make the NHL has his head on straight and not one of these d-bags.

Aside: I ran into a couple of junior level hockey players I knew from back-in-the-day a few years ago. They were trying to steel my Uber. I offered to take them to where they were going anyway. These were men in their mid 40s, almost certainly married and on their way to a cougar bar. These people don't grow up. They are the same pieces of (xxxx) their whole lives. I'm not some shrinking violet BTW, I'm a bit of an alpha myself and yet these people have always sickened me.

 

[Bear of Bad News]

Lot of people who think they're the next Margaret Cho and seeing how close they can get to saying the names without crossing the line.

None of them are still in the thread. Take the damn hint.

 

[PanniniClaus]

Ken Holland.

He's eyeing up some cheap talent .... this is right up his alley.

Congrats all on this thread still being open.

 

[rec28]

It could but for arguments sake many porn companies systematically do those videos to remove any ambiguity. I think it will ride on her physical state and the tone of her voice in that video. I assume the prosecution believes beyond a reasonable doubt she looks unable to consent on that tape.

Retroactive consent isn't a thing.

 

[cptjeff]

If there is merit to the charges and they result in eventual convictions, the only fans I feel for are the kids who may've idolized one of these players and the parents who have to explain why that player isn't around. I wonder if teams, in that situation, would do jersey buybacks and the like.

Jersey trade in programs are an excellent idea.

Sadly, that means the NHL will utterly refuse to do it.