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Amazon's Toronto Maple Leafs series was almost worth the wallowing | NOW Magazine
“Tough to watch”
In an interview with NOW, Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas admits the series can be “tough to watch.”
“It makes you relive having been in those moments, it makes you relive the disbelief of the fact that that we weren’t able to take advantage of the opportunity,” he says. “When you do these jobs and you’re in this business, those types of things can stick with you for a long time, maybe forever. I completely understand that this coming out now will only serve to kind of open the wounds again for our fans and people who follow the team, but for us, those wounds have been open since we lost."
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Even more of a surprise is Dubas, a seemingly mild-mannered 35-year-old executive in Clark Kent glasses. When he replaced the veteran GM Lou Lamoriello a few years ago, he was treated by the media as a hockey version of Jonah Hill’s character in Moneyball – a young, progressive analytics nerd who started in front offices when he was 25 but never played the game himself. All Or Nothing is quick to tell us he’s actually a “pure hockey guy” who came from a hockey family.
The most illuminating scenes involve him and Keefe meeting in his office and speaking very openly about players’ strengths and weaknesses. Dubas is not a yeller or screamer (a stigma that exists in the Leafs organization after fired head coach Mike Babcock was revealed to be a bully to his players), but he’s very direct and to the point. There’s no dancing around a subject.
A memorable scene for him comes early when he tells a frustrated player, Ilya Mikheyev, why he’s not getting much ice time. But he’s humanized too, comforting the players as they cried in the locker room after their game-seven loss to Montreal.
“I just saw the coaching staff and the players, how devastated they were,” Dubas tells me. “I thought that in my position, it’s incumbent on me to go in and try to get these people moved along and sort of pick them up a little bit. We couldn’t have people sitting in the room crying for hours. The staff needs to go home and different things of that nature.”
All or nothing
Dubas says he’s never seen a group of players so distraught after a loss, and even if you’re a calloused Leafs fan, you’ll still feel some sympathy. Ultimate nice guy “Soupy” Jack Campbell, whose rise from third-string to starting goalie is one of the feel-good arcs of the season, takes it the hardest, openly weeping in the locker room. You want to reach through the screen and give him a hug.
Despite the rawness of that scene, though, it ends somewhat abruptly. It’s strange to say we could have used more wallowing, but there isn’t much perspective about what went wrong or what lessons they’ve learned from it, just a quick optimistic note from Dubas that the greatest successes often follow the greatest disappointments. The new season is about to start, and there are a few changes but the seemingly stacked core of the team – Matthews, Tavares, Marner and Nylander – is still the same.
“Tough to watch”
In an interview with NOW, Leafs general manager Kyle Dubas admits the series can be “tough to watch.”
“It makes you relive having been in those moments, it makes you relive the disbelief of the fact that that we weren’t able to take advantage of the opportunity,” he says. “When you do these jobs and you’re in this business, those types of things can stick with you for a long time, maybe forever. I completely understand that this coming out now will only serve to kind of open the wounds again for our fans and people who follow the team, but for us, those wounds have been open since we lost."
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Even more of a surprise is Dubas, a seemingly mild-mannered 35-year-old executive in Clark Kent glasses. When he replaced the veteran GM Lou Lamoriello a few years ago, he was treated by the media as a hockey version of Jonah Hill’s character in Moneyball – a young, progressive analytics nerd who started in front offices when he was 25 but never played the game himself. All Or Nothing is quick to tell us he’s actually a “pure hockey guy” who came from a hockey family.
The most illuminating scenes involve him and Keefe meeting in his office and speaking very openly about players’ strengths and weaknesses. Dubas is not a yeller or screamer (a stigma that exists in the Leafs organization after fired head coach Mike Babcock was revealed to be a bully to his players), but he’s very direct and to the point. There’s no dancing around a subject.
A memorable scene for him comes early when he tells a frustrated player, Ilya Mikheyev, why he’s not getting much ice time. But he’s humanized too, comforting the players as they cried in the locker room after their game-seven loss to Montreal.
“I just saw the coaching staff and the players, how devastated they were,” Dubas tells me. “I thought that in my position, it’s incumbent on me to go in and try to get these people moved along and sort of pick them up a little bit. We couldn’t have people sitting in the room crying for hours. The staff needs to go home and different things of that nature.”
All or nothing
Dubas says he’s never seen a group of players so distraught after a loss, and even if you’re a calloused Leafs fan, you’ll still feel some sympathy. Ultimate nice guy “Soupy” Jack Campbell, whose rise from third-string to starting goalie is one of the feel-good arcs of the season, takes it the hardest, openly weeping in the locker room. You want to reach through the screen and give him a hug.
Despite the rawness of that scene, though, it ends somewhat abruptly. It’s strange to say we could have used more wallowing, but there isn’t much perspective about what went wrong or what lessons they’ve learned from it, just a quick optimistic note from Dubas that the greatest successes often follow the greatest disappointments. The new season is about to start, and there are a few changes but the seemingly stacked core of the team – Matthews, Tavares, Marner and Nylander – is still the same.
Interesting so far. Concerned that so early in the season it seemed the kids were kinda tuning out Keefe. I think it's a pro sports thing though.
Keefe is free to use whatever language he wants, but when you use it all the time maybe it doesn't have the same effect as if you rarely use it. It only bothers me because I can't watch when my kid is around.
Keefe is free to use whatever language he wants, but when you use it all the time maybe it doesn't have the same effect as if you rarely use it. It only bothers me because I can't watch when my kid is around.
supermann_98
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As much as I liked the other side of Keefe we get to see in this series he was completely out of line cutting off Briere mid sentence when he was defending Anderseive and telling him to “F*** off” … about as disrespectful a thing as you can to a subordinate at work
watching the series, I do become concerned that while keefe clearly identifies what our shortfalls will be early on, and points them out as not good enough, I am left to wonder if players like mitch have been given solutions to them.
swearing and saying this cant happen, or an effort isnt good enough isn’t what someone like mitch needs. I’d have liked to see direct and clear suggestions on what to change so that he can do so.
Keefe has been on point on this thing. Just saw the Vesey part, you can tell why Vesey didn't make it. f***ing loser
Canadian Finn
Oskee Wee Wee
that poor, poor young core.
abrasive.
but if he didn't use the "f" word, would it be better than pottie mouth man?
Canadian Finn
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zeke
The Dube Abides
- Mar 14, 2005
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Nothing wrong with Babcock's abrasiveness.
Everything wrong with his ability to coach defensive structure.
Everything wrong with his ability to coach defensive structure.
Apex Predator
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I don’t get why everyone thinks Keefe swears too much. I think that’s right in line with the amount an average coach swears.
Canadian Finn
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no, you see, poor mitchie didn't understand what to do. He needed it dumbed down and explained very clearly to him.
How you have to deal with numbnutz I guess.
robertmac43
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- Mar 31, 2015
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Completed watching it all last night and thought it was really good.
Really enjoyed seeing a more personable side of a lot of the team.
Really enjoyed seeing a more personable side of a lot of the team.
oh my God some of you are so soft. That is pro sports. How many years are we gonna coddle these guys. They need to hear the truth, their play in that moment wasn’t acceptable. I’m sure in video they break down what they need to improve on.
therealkoho
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I should’ve stopped watching after episode 4. Episode 5 brought back memories & pain that I thought I got over…
DarkKnight
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you have no idea how not-soft I am after hearing you speak that way. in fact, i'm hard af.
All I'm saying is, marner keeps failing, and he keeps doing the same things. Is that effort? I personally don't think so, I think it's because he's afraid of failure, yes, but he also refuses to do what needs to be done, and not only does he not do it, he doesn't even attempt it. Is that bad guidance? or cowardice?
Seeing him early on this year as net-front on the pp will force him to be in the spots he needs to be in, that is good guidance imo.
Canadian Finn
Oskee Wee Wee
Ok Ricky. Hard af.
Marner's continuous failing isn't effort, or being afraid of failure.
It is Marner. Simple as that. Failures will fail.
Stephen
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- Feb 28, 2002
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I have new found appreciation for Keefe getting so angry at so many of the things that bugged us here on the boards in real time. Such as Andersen's terrible play which Briere was trying to rationalize, or the good habits slipping despite the winning. The public messaging can be so subdued at times.
stickty111
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Saw parts 2 and 3, and man Keefe really didn't like Freddy's game at all. He could have handled his interaction with Briere a little better, but Keefe got tired of the excuses Briere kept giving to Freddy.
It's clear Keefe is absolutely the right coach for the team, and whatever problems we have are in the room.
Keefe'a swearing is right in line with what the average coach does. You want to see uncontrolled swearing? Look at a Torts video from this 24/7 video.
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It's clear Keefe is absolutely the right coach for the team, and whatever problems we have are in the room.
Keefe'a swearing is right in line with what the average coach does. You want to see uncontrolled swearing? Look at a Torts video from this 24/7 video.
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Stephen
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It seems like good mix of outward confidence in the group but are rightfully hard on them behind what are normally closed doors.
Aashir
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How can the right coach still not motivate our players enough to show a heartbeat in game 7. How can he get outcoached 2x in the playoffs. How can he lose 2x in the first round. How can the right coach ice a pp as bad as a Triple AAA hockey team
I agree that he isn’t as much of a players coach as I thought, but saying he’s the right coach for this team seems a bit weird. Hopefully everyone is right and we go on a run, but from seeing this, it hasn’t changed the fact that he has failed to bring results and live up to expectations. His attitude and words obviously aren’t getting through to the team at the most critical of times
I agree that he isn’t as much of a players coach as I thought, but saying he’s the right coach for this team seems a bit weird. Hopefully everyone is right and we go on a run, but from seeing this, it hasn’t changed the fact that he has failed to bring results and live up to expectations. His attitude and words obviously aren’t getting through to the team at the most critical of times
I’d rather ask myself why aren’t the players motivated for Game 7 in the first place? If you don’t get up for that as a player you might as well retire right now unless all you want is money. There isn’t a coach past or present that could say any combination of words that would spark a fire in these guys if they don’t have the will.
Keefe isn’t anything more than an average coach but they’ve done this under Babcock too. This is just who these players are.
I only watched Episode 5 of the series and that was tough to reopen those wounds. Almost worse now that the shock and most of the anger has passed.
Also I think Spezza has become my favorite player in this group.
