First look at the All or Nothing Amazon Prime show

[IPS]

Nothing wrong with Babcock's abrasiveness.

Everything wrong with his ability to coach defensive structure.

Or who he selects to use for his defensive structure, I'm sure Holl would have been a player he liked, but better not play him at all just to be safe.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

I will say, despite the terrible ending, I’m glad this series was made. I feel like it provided closure for me to a lot of questions I had after Game 7.

Im ready to move on to next season now. Still expecting to have my heart brutally broken again but let’s see where this goes. Kinda sad that that’s as optimistic as I can feel about this group given all our talent…

 

[Coachcorner]

Saw parts 2 and 3, and man Keefe really didn't like Freddy's game at all. He could have handled his interaction with Briere a little better, but Keefe got tired of the excuses Briere kept giving to Freddy.
It's clear Keefe is absolutely the right coach for the team, and whatever problems we have are in the room.
Keefe'a swearing is right in line with what the average coach does. You want to see uncontrolled swearing? Look at a Torts video from this 24/7 video.

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There is no controlled swearing in hockey sire. Played miself and coached too. A long time azigo though. Hard.
But yeah, coach Beudrau was pretty hard on minnesota too sire. He was an actor though.... it really came through acting, the swearing on his part. With tortorella, its real, and thuggish. Its' so easy to read. Beadreau only was swearing cause he thought it would make him look harda. Tortorella swears, cause it just flows out of his brain and mouth. There's a difference. The calculated swearing is soft, like I already said: Acted out.

 

[Dreakmur]

There is no controlled swearing in hockey sire. Played miself and coached too. A long time azigo though. Hard.
But yeah, coach Beudrau was pretty hard on minnesota too sire. He was an actor though.... it really came through acting, the swearing on his part. With tortorella, its real, and thuggish. Its' so easy to read. Beadreau only was swearing cause he thought it would make him look harda. Tortorella swears, cause it just flows out of his brain and mouth. There's a difference. The calculated swearing is soft, like I already said: Acted out.

Being hard on players has nothing to do with using profanity. It’s all about consequences and accountability, and I don’t see that from Keefe.

 

[Morbo]

others have recapped, and I heard absolutely zero that surprised me or I couldn't infer already from watching them on the ice.

so, don't have to watch it and never will.

 

[Coachcorner]

Being hard on players has nothing to do with using profanity. It’s all about consequences and accountability, and I don’t see that from Keefe.

I'm bout that sire. And nothing bothers me and never has, the swearing part etc. It's aaight, cool. But thangs happen... for example racist comments towards players I would never allow. I would step and beat an ass. Hard. Then leave the club and into a club. Hard. Quit ice hockey. For life sire.

 

[BrannigansLaw]

others have recapped, and I heard absolutely zero that surprised me or I couldn't infer already from watching them on the ice.

so, don't have to watch it and never will.

I appreciated actually seeing some emotion out of them. That can be inferred but it was nice to see that they at least shed some tears after that Game 7 loss. With how they played on the ice that game, hard to tell if they actually gave af.

 

[francis246]

you have no idea how not-soft I am after hearing you speak that way. in fact, i'm hard af.

All I'm saying is, marner keeps failing, and he keeps doing the same things. Is that effort? I personally don't think so, I think it's because he's afraid of failure, yes, but he also refuses to do what needs to be done, and not only does he not do it, he doesn't even attempt it. Is that bad guidance? or cowardice?

Seeing him early on this year as net-front on the pp will force him to be in the spots he needs to be in, that is good guidance imo.

this is also a false narrative. Marner isn’t a failure. I’m not gonna dive into it. But MTL did a fantastic job shutting that line down. If I remember correctly, we had home ice advantage in games 5 and 7 and Keefe refused to keep Marner and Matthews away from Danault. That is awful coaching.

 

[IPS]

this is also a false narrative. Marner isn’t a failure. I’m not gonna dive into it. But MTL did a fantastic job shutting that line down. If I remember correctly, we had home ice advantage in games 5 and 7 and Keefe refused to keep Marner and Matthews away from Danault. That is awful coaching.

If all it takes is a basic good defensive center like Danault to make Matthews and Marner that ineffective then something is SERIOUSLY wrong with paying them $11M+

 

[HockeyVirus]

I appreciated actually seeing some emotion out of them. That can be inferred but it was nice to see that they at least shed some tears after that Game 7 loss. With how they played on the ice that game, hard to tell if they actually gave af.

So we know now it is not a lack of give a f***, but being so inside their own heads they almost paralyze their own abilities and revert into drones going through the motions. Dubas has balls betting is career on this.

 

[Menzinger]

So we know now it is not a lack of give a f***, but being so inside their own heads they almost paralyze their own abilities and revert into drones going through the motions. Dubas has balls betting is career on this.

I think this is spot on. I never understood the "they don't care" criticisms, because they clearly do. But caring about winning doesn't mean other mental obstacles don't exist.

Guys like Marner and Matthews were able to win and succeed so much during their youth, I think as they've run into struggles a pros they haven't been able to get their heads around that winning isn't a given.

 

[Aashir]

I’d rather ask myself why aren’t the players motivated for Game 7 in the first place? If you don’t get up for that as a player you might as well retire right now unless all you want is money. There isn’t a coach past or present that could say any combination of words that would spark a fire in these guys if they don’t have the will.

Keefe isn’t anything more than an average coach but they’ve done this under Babcock too. This is just who these players are.

I only watched Episode 5 of the series and that was tough to reopen those wounds. Almost worse now that the shock and most of the anger has passed.

Also I think Spezza has become my favorite player in this group.

fair enough, but saying something like “this guys the perfect coach for this team”, is invalid. These players haven’t shown up yes, but has the coach done anything apart from yelling at them? Has he changed the lines up when Matthews Hyman Marner weren’t working? No. Did he try and get them away from the danault line? No. Yelling at the players for being shit does nothing if he doesn’t try and put them in a better position to succeed.

As for Spezza, even before this documentary, he was a guy that I really liked and respected. From his regular season, to the game 4 fight vs CBJ, to his play vs Montreal, he’s always giving 100%. Even off the ice, Doing the donation for the AHL guys, or giving pointers to newer guys like brooks and Robertson.

 

[Leafslet]

this is also a false narrative. Marner isn’t a failure. I’m not gonna dive into it. But MTL did a fantastic job shutting that line down. If I remember correctly, we had home ice advantage in games 5 and 7 and Keefe refused to keep Marner and Matthews away from Danault. That is awful coaching.

that only flies if he doesn’t get shut down every playoffs. and danault shouldnt be able to systematically shut down all three of matthews, marner and hyman at once.

 

[supermann_98]

I should’ve stopped watching after episode 4. Episode 5 brought back memories & pain that I thought I got over…

Agreed but at least they treated the two Mitch Marner penalties for flipping the puck into the crowd like it didn't exist.

Was interesting to see him and Matthews after game 7 with their heads down, towels over their heads ... long after everyone else left. Those 2 know they played horrible and even 1 goal between them in the last 3 games would've turned the series. I expect huge (regular season) numbers from those two this year

 

[Gabriel426]

So we know now it is not a lack of give a f***, but being so inside their own heads they almost paralyze their own abilities and revert into drones going through the motions. Dubas has balls betting is career on this.

I think this is spot on. I never understood the "they don't care" criticisms, because they clearly do. But caring about winning doesn't mean other mental obstacles don't exist.

Guys like Marner and Matthews were able to win and succeed so much during their youth, I think as they've run into struggles a pros they haven't been able to get their heads around that winning isn't a given.

I don’t buy the lack of care to win bc guys like AM and Marner got massive pride or they won’t be in the position they are in today.
To me I think it has more to do with knowing and understanding what it takes to win. I think they are still in the my skills will take care of it phrase instead of grinding it out and just banging in rebounds. No doubt AM is a great goal scorer but how many of his goals were scored off a rebound or just jamming it in the crease? You look at Willie, and you see the change and improvements and just imagine AM doing the same.

 

[francis246]

If all it takes is a basic good defensive center like Danault to make Matthews and Marner that ineffective then something is SERIOUSLY wrong with paying them $11M+

this also a stupid as f*** argument. and i've seen a lot of people default to it. it's the NHL teams are well prepared, Danault is one of the best shut down centers in the NHL. We held both McDavid and Draisaitl scoreless at various points throughout the season. Are they not worth their money? No. It's also on the coach to put them in better situations to score. Keefe didn't even try. So there is an element on him not adjusting especially when you have last change, it's actually stupid that he didn't the more I think about it. Of course the players have to burst through and find a way but Keefe did not help the situation by not at least creating a more favourable match up for Marner and Matthews. I would have had the Matthews line out there against the Suzuki or Staal line every time.

 

[francis246]

that only flies if he doesn’t get shut down every playoffs. and danault shouldnt be able to systematically shut down all three of matthews, marner and hyman at once.

he didn't hyman has hands made of Stone. Had hyman at least buried one of the glorious tap ins matthews and marner put on his stick maybe we aren't talking about this.

 

[GrizzLeaf]

I really enjoyed watching the series. I like the Dubas/Keef combo. They clearly compliment each other.

However, I was kinda shocked that Keef showed so much emotion behind the bench.

Most coaches understand "never too high, never too low". He not only gets upset when the Leafs give up an important goal, but he also yells advice to the players on the ice, while they're playing. Yikes.

First off, most players don't even hear you if you yell something. Second, the time to coach them is at practice, in a meeting or between periods.

When the game is on, the only effective thing you can do to correct a bad habit is to address the player on the bench. Sometimes by pointing to the ongoing play and showing him an example of what you want from him, or how someone else is making the same mistake.

Anyhow, I'm just being nitpicky. He's done well with these players as evidenced by their rank in the season standings. This group just has to find a way to battle harder in the playoffs.

 

[Dreakmur]

I really enjoyed watching the series. I like the Dubas/Keef combo. They clearly compliment each other.

However, I was kinda shocked that keef showed so much emotion behind the bench.

Most coached understand "never too high, never too low". He not only geys upset when the Leafs give up an important goal, but he also yells advice to the players on the ice, while they're playing. Yikes.

First off, most players don't even hear you if you yell something. Second, the time to coach them is at practice, in a meeting or between periods.

When the game is on, the only effective thing you can do to correct a bad habit is to address the player on the bench. Sometimes by pointing to the ongoing play and showing him an example of what you want from him, or how someone else is making the same mistake.

Anyhow, I'm just being nitpicky. He's done well with these players as evidenced by their rank in the season standings. This group just has to find a way to battle harder in the playoffs.

The time to coach is all the time. Have no issue with him communicating with the players on the ice. You are right that they likely don’t hear him, but the players on the bench do, and that helps them when they get out.

 

[3blizzard4]

I just binged watched it. I loved it! I thought it was really well produced. I love have loved to see more personal side of our top stars. Too much was made of the coffee club and things like that. Wanted more away from the rink stuff.

 

[Nylanderthal]

I was waiting for leadership from the team captains.

In the second episode when Dubas had the leadership group and Keefe in his office I was really put off with how jumbo’s response was “well we’re in first” when discussing how the team needs to be better. If that’s the case then he’s definitely not the type of older vet leader this core needs, glad he’s gone.

 

[diceman934]

Ok Ricky. Hard af.

Marner's continuous failing isn't effort, or being afraid of failure.

It is Marner . Simple as that. Failures will fail.

Finn sucked. Marner is not a failure. He was deveastated he is a winner. I rewatched the 7 game series and he was great setting up his line mates for tap ins that they missed. He always takes responsibility for the teams losses even when they were not on him.
3 horrid plays cost us yet people blame Marner. Gally Dermott and Sandin cost us along with a coach that only can swear. Over playing players all year long.

 

[TheGreatOne11]

Dubas poor kid is going to be waiting for that last banner for a long long longggg time.



Kidding. We win it all this year.

Bank on it.

 

[varano]

Keefe comes across as a p***y. Blows a gasket to Dubas about Matthews and then has a soft as shit discussion with Matthews face to face

 

[diceman934]

Keefe comes across as a p***y. Blows a gasket to Dubas about Matthews and then has a soft as shit discussion with Matthews face to face

I saw that as well. He is an idiot Mathews made a comment to the media which was valid that he did not like. Told his boss on him then stated nothing to Mathews when he confronted him.

When asked who was starting in Goal in the playoffs he said nothing Dubas answered the question.