Fire Shanahan/Dubas (Yay or Nay)

[Gallagbi]

No that was Shanny at the post presser. Kyle assembled a great team that addressed the clubs weaknesses and Sheldon got the best out of players and adapted to situations. No posters suggested these things were true.

...and the core didn't step up

I didn't hear that Sheldon got the best out of this team tbh, just that he wasn't to blame. He got them in a position to win, the team didn't come through. Mistakes were player driven and not via system. Mental mistakes and lack of finish by our top end.

 

[Dreakmur]

...and the core didn't step up

I didn't hear that Sheldon got the best out of this team tbh, just that he wasn't to blame. He got them in a position to win, the team didn't come through. Mistakes were player driven and not via system. Mental mistakes and lack of finish by our top end.

Keefe over-played his top line all year and they were exhausted when it really mattered.

 

[Gallagbi]

Keefe over-played his top line all year and they were exhausted when it really mattered.

I don't buy it. They generated chances and had opportunities. They over thought some chances, lacked finish and I felt Marner struggled with his decision making all year.

They were overplayed in Game +, Marner specifically but fine the rest of the way

 

[Dreakmur]

I don't buy it. They generated chances and had opportunities. They over thought some chances, lacked finish and I felt Marner struggled with his decision making all year.

They were overplayed in Game +, Marner specifically but fine the rest of the way

The mind is effected by exhaustion... often before the body.

 

[Gallagbi]

The mind is effected by exhaustion... often before the body.

Mistakes weren't building in games as they got tired and "overplayed". Often they got better as the games went on. It was also specifically Marner's decision making and the ones that plagued him all year long.

 

[Stonehands1990]

Keefe over-played his top line all year and they were exhausted when it really mattered.

THANK YOU! I keep saying this over and over again. They were visibly exhausted and could barely skate. Yet Tavares & Nylander were held to 16 minutes most games

 

[Dreakmur]

Mistakes weren't building in games as they got tired and "overplayed". Often they got better as the games went on. It was also specifically Marner's decision making and the ones that plagued him all year long.

They didn’t tire as the games went on, since they were already worn down from playing an idiotic amount all season.

 

[meefer]

As I said at the beginning of the season, this team goes as far as their players take them. The players failed, not Dubas.

 

[mikeyz]

No that was Shanny at the post presser. Kyle assembled a great team that addressed the clubs weaknesses and Sheldon got the best out of players and adapted to situations. No posters suggested these things were true.

And this is 1 of the big reasons why I want not only Dubas but, Shanahan gone.

On top of that, he seemed to have an expression on his face that he was dumbfounded and had no idea how to fix this mess.

 

[centipede2233]

And this is 1 of the big reasons why I want not only Dubas but, Shanahan gone.

On top of that, he seemed to have an expression on his face that he was dumbfounded and had no idea how to fix this mess.

The reason he is dumbfounded is because dubas thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. He might be smart, but it hasn’t translated to his job as a gm. I also think shanahan thinks highly of himself yet I think he has rocks for brains. Dubas just isn’t cut out in being a gm of a nhl team. He’s young, maybe he can be an adequate gm one day, but learning on the job as the gm of the Toronto maple leafs in negotiating the most important contracts perhaps in franchise history is lunacy.

 

[BayStBullies]

They should just fire the interim junior coach and get someone who isn't in over their head.

 

[sparxx87]

They should just fire the interim junior coach and get someone who isn't in over their head.

They should, but, firing Keefe would be Dubas acknowledgement that he chose the wrong guy. I don’t think Dubas even sees it. I think he’s probably found some obscure anomaly in the stats and feels like this was just ‘unlucky’ again.

Someome made a great point about the top line that their fancy stats looked good, so they likely think the line played well and didn’t need to be shuffled.

 

[ACC1224]

At least we can console ourselves with the fact that while Dubas dazzles the league with his 5d chess, Lou Lam continues to drive the Isles to the gutter.

For me I give the management another kick at it unless they decide to trade Marner or Nylander. If that’s the case we can’t trust him to make a good deal there and it’s too important to the franchise.

 

[sparxx87]

The reason he is dumbfounded is because dubas thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. He might be smart, but it hasn’t translated to his job as a gm. I also think shanahan thinks highly of himself yet I think he has rocks for brains. Dubas just isn’t cut out in being a gm of a nhl team. He’s young, maybe he can be an adequate gm one day, but learning on the job as the gm of the Toronto maple leafs in negotiating the most important contracts perhaps in franchise history is lunacy.

He has very basic degree from Brock and no high level experience as a player, coach or official.

He may be well spoken but in the hockey world, he’s not smart. He’s uneducated and lacks basic understanding of the fundamentals.

Pookie posted that article that should tell anyone all they need to know - loaded with direct quotes, he arrogantly thinks he can re-invent a wheel, keeps betting his career and image on it, yet keeps failing in spectacular fashion.

 

[rumman]

2-3 more years likely until the next rebuild if necessary.
That will be nearly 10 years for Shanahan.
Dubas bet his career on the plan and Matthews/Nylander will be UFA in those 3.
It will also depend on how epic any more failures are. And if some players continue struggles postseason.

I can’t understand why ownership is standing pat? What makes them think this mgmt group have a handle on how to be successful in the playoffs? Time flies and before you know it most of the core will be ufa’s, anyone actually think any of them resign without playoff success? No, they’ll blame the teams mgmt and move along to other opportunities and the Leafs will have squandered yet another window of opportunity to win......

 

[rumman]

Tampa won the cup with Stamkos barely even playing. This false narrative and excuses need to go away.

stop supporting this incompetent management

 

[rumman]

I can't see Dubas/Keefe living through another first round exit. Further than that and they get a longer rope IMO

How many of us said this very statement after the loss to Columbus? Nothing changes without change........

 

[sparxx87]

Mistakes weren't building in games as they got tired and "overplayed". Often they got better as the games went on. It was also specifically Marner's decision making and the ones that plagued him all year long.

Accumulated miles over the season. This is another danger in a top heavy roster. Many said this early on but were only met with numbers to compare them to other overplayed players... and the stats were racking up so everyone was happy and not thinking long term.

You’d think they’d at least get this stuff, right? He’s usually playing checkers with his numbers but sports science is actually applicable here.... The one time that calls for science and examining accumulating number and they can’t even get that right.

 

[deprw]

At least we can console ourselves with the fact that while Dubas dazzles the league with his 5d chess, Lou Lam continues to drive the Isles to the gutter.

For me I give the management another kick at it unless they decide to trade Marner or Nylander. If that’s the case we can’t trust him to make a good deal there and it’s too important to the franchise.

It's Barry Trotz not Lou Lamoriello that keeps that Isles engine running. One of the best coaches in last two decades. Can adapt, motivate and knows how to build defensive systems. Can also coach offensive players, but in any case can adapt and play the strength of his team.

 

[rumman]

Here's hoping.

Keefe isn’t the right coach, but nothing changed this core last time the coach was replaced, why does anyone think it’ll work this time. Problem is cap distribution, Toe Blake couldn’t make this team a winner........

 

[sparxx87]

It's Barry Trotz not Lou Lamoriello that keeps that Isles engine running. One of the best coaches in last two decades. Can adapt, motivate and knows how to build defensive systems. Can also coach offensive players, but in any case can adapt and play the strength of his team.

Actually, Barry Trotz wouldn’t even be in NY if not for Lamoriello. He said as much.

Lamoriello hired the best coach in the league, Dubas hired a coach who doesn’t belong in the league.

 

[Racer88]

The reason he is dumbfounded is because dubas thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. He might be smart, but it hasn’t translated to his job as a gm. I also think shanahan thinks highly of himself yet I think he has rocks for brains. Dubas just isn’t cut out in being a gm of a nhl team. He’s young, maybe he can be an adequate gm one day, but learning on the job as the gm of the Toronto maple leafs in negotiating the most important contracts perhaps in franchise history is lunacy.

I don’t even think he is smart.......but he is a good salesman and sold Shanny a defective bill of goods

 

[rumman]

Keefe over-played his top line all year and they were exhausted when it really mattered.

Yup, did exactly what many wanted Babcock to do with the young guns, I guess the gud pro knew something about player deployment?

 

[rumman]

I don't buy it. They generated chances and had opportunities. They over thought some chances, lacked finish and I felt Marner struggled with his decision making all year.

They were overplayed in Game +, Marner specifically but fine the rest of the way

They looked tired after game four to me......

 

[rumman]

The mind is effected by exhaustion... often before the body.

Winner winner, chicken dinner......