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so who are we hoping we boot the yanks or redsox. either way its gonna be a game to get through cole or sale
Blue Jays Discussion: End of the Hand
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Le Cobra
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That's quite doable considering the schedule. They have 7 games left vs the poverty franchise known as the Orioles, 7 games vs the struggling Twins, and 7 against the Yankees where they can eat into the lead like they did today. The only tricky series is against Tampa but TB has so little to play for now that they may bring their strongest team to the field until the postseason
Dr.Funk
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Good lord, man. Don't tempt fate like that. Montoyo can always screw things up somehow.
OVO16
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Seattle is actually so bad. Sad that they're even in the same bracket as us right now. Their run differential says all
The Nemesis
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Don't they also have a crazy skewed record on 1-run games? Usually that's unsustainable
OVO16
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Extremely unsustainable but we got 26 games left, so its not like we have many games left for that statistic to start evening out
Le Cobra
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i appreciate they expanded the wild card by 2 teams...but dont know why the MLB doesnt just stick to what they did last year with the top 16 teams making the playoffs. It increases interest in the league, their revenue (ticket sales, merchandise) and overall is a win-win for everyone included, especially the fans of teams that finish well above .500 but are stuck in highly competitive divisions (Blue Jays).
Tbh I feel like the Jays are closer to the three division leaders in the AL than they are to those chasing WC spots in terms of overall talent and depth (their run differential proves that). It's just that the Jays bullpen have bottled so many close games this year that they otherwise would have won and other teams have gotten really good at either punching above their weight or pulling W's outta their ass or both
The Yankees have been extremely mediocre for 95% of the season but they caught fire during their 13 game win streak which featured a few where they did indeed pull W's de leur derriere. The Red Sox are clearly punching above their weight and it is quite bizarre that Seattle is still in the position they are in considering they have one of the lowest RD's in the AL. Oakland is about where they usually are though
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I'd go as far as maybe making it a conference wide standings like they do in the NBA and used to do in the NHL up until 2014. Look at how sh*ty the AL Central and even NL East are compared to teams from the AL East and NL West. Teams like the Braves and White Sox get to beat up on these lowly teams while teams in the AL East and NL West have to beat each other up just for a WC spot and end up having to face a much better rested team from the weaker division
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phillipmike
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Cloned
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I think people forget how good peak Juan Gonzalez was.
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phillipmike
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one of my favourite players. Just so consistently good.
There should be less teams in the playoffs, not more.
If the Blue Jays are the fourth best team in their own division after playing 162 games they definitely do not deserve any chance at winning a championship.
e: I am admittedly pretty comfortable with 5 teams (gives you a reward for winning the division, a couple bail out spots for extremely strong divisions like ALE/NLW this year etc).
zeke
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Juan's 40hr 22yr old season was nowhere near as good as vladdy's of course.
Though he did have a killer 23yr old season.
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There were scouting reports on Kirk based on things from A-ball in 2019.
In 2021 Kirk has been the personal catcher for the current Cy Young favourite and his game-calling and defensive play has been top-notch.
I'm a huge Moreno fan but there is no way you trade Kirk now, and the defensive question marks are pretty much totally gone.
Moreno will not be an MLB starter in 2022. If he pushes himself into the discussion as a potential starter in 2023, then you revisit trading Kirk.
Gonzalez was the king of 1990s counting stats but his terrible defense, low walk rate and tendency to get hurt meant that he only had 1 season in his career over 5 WAR and only 3 over 4 WAR.
Did I say there weren't? I don't recall ever suggesting Kirk was miscouted.
Is that really Kirk making Ray look good, or Ray making Kirk look good? Because Ray looked pretty darn good pitching to other catchers besides Kirk. And I really have to wonder what games you've been watching if you think Kirk's defense has been top-notch.
Actually, now is the best time to talk about trading him. His value is rising fast. A young hitting catcher with tons of control? That's like a stud 3rd baseman or blue chip pitching prospect, and you probably won't even need to package him (assuming nobody has a problem with his foot speed).
You guys are clearly misunderstanding my angle here. I like Kirk. He's great. His tiny strike zone is allowing him to completely control at bats (not sure about him struggling with velocity; I didn't notice that). And he's already pretty clutch. But he's yet another offense first, low defense player on a team bristling with offensive players with more on the way in the minors. What this team needs is PITCHING AND DEFENSE. Pitching is what started that big turnaround at the trade deadline. Pitching is why the team didn't sink too far for the rest August. Pitching is why they're winning NOW. Pitching, pitching, pitching. And defense. Supposedly super dynamic offense (which it wasn't) with uber run differentials had a middling record by the trade deadline. PITCHING is what made the difference.
The Jays need PITCHING. They DON'T need Kirk. That or a strong defensive 3rd baseman with good offense since the next best one in the Jays system is years away and I'm not convinced Smith will be much more than a defense first, middling bat yet.
Now, don't get me wrong. I'd be perfectly happy to stick Kirk at DH, or, heck, convert Moreno to 3B or something and then keep Kirk, but the Jays don't seem to want to use the DH spot that way for some weird reason. If we stop this whole "DH is for resting" thing and stick Kirk at DH, then I'm happy and we can move on, but so long as it's just a pit stop for Hernandez and Springer, then Kirk has more use as a trade chip for the pitching and defense we need.
Also, I'm not exactly pounding the drum to trade him. I was one of the people fighting for him in the beginning, I was just stating it's not a bad idea. His footspeed is a real concern though. That could quickly become a problem if he ever loses a step.
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Not that this stuff is necessarily meaningful, particularly in such small samples, but Ray has a 1.89 ERA when pitching to Kirk compared to 2.78 with Adams, 2.93 with McGuire, and 3.73 with Jansen. His BB and K numbers are actually worse, but he's suppressed HR when throwing to Kirk.
Again... it may very well mean nothing, but the results from a pure run-prevention standpoint have been far better with Kirk.
Again... it may very well mean nothing, but the results from a pure run-prevention standpoint have been far better with Kirk.
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