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The point wasn’t to trade Kirk. It was figuring out how to get the best value possible. I don’t see Jansen at peak value right now and I’m not ready to move Kirk or Moreno.
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The point wasn’t to trade Kirk. It was figuring out how to get the best value possible. I don’t see Jansen at peak value right now and I’m not ready to move Kirk or Moreno.
Speak for yourself, dude. There are scouting reports, he's rated higher, and Kirk has looked pretty bad back there. And you're still evading the point about the power. And, oh yeah, Moreno isn't slow as molasses.
Again, you've done nothing to support your claim that Moreno is somehow so much farther away than Kirk.
That stretch after the Red Sox series sucks so bad now. Jays could be leading the WC.
zeke
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The scouting reports on Kirk have been useless so far, and obviously biased due to his fatness. He's looked fine for a young catcher so far, and is improving.
And the scouting reports aren't exactly effusive in their praise of Moreno's defense anyways.
And the scouting reports all thought Jansen couldn't catch, and they were completely wrong.
What Kirk is doing is incredible - he's mashed mlb pitching at the same age Moreno is still in AA. Trading him is ludicrous.
And yes Moreno has more power, while Kirk has much better strike zone control.
Seems pretty obvious. Kirk to DH, Moreno to start at C, Jansen as your backup C.
That was literally my very first post at this forum; however, Jays don't use the DH position that way. They prefer to use it as a rest position, so apparently that's not an option.
None of this addresses the claim you made that Moreno is so far away and some big unknown. Anyway, that's strike 3. If you're unwilling to address my points directly, then I'm not willing to address yours. Have a nice day.
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Canada4Gold
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I would probably trade McGuire. I know you're not getting much for him, but barring trading 2 of those other catchers or running 3 catchers he's getting pushed out regardless. Might as well sell higher. Unlike last offseason when he cleared waivers I think you might get a pen arm or something for him.
I'm fine running Jansen/Kirk to start next year, with Moreno in AAA and re-evaluating trading either Jansen or Kirk once Moreno is ready. I'm also fine running all 3 catchers with Kirk getting a bulk of DH time, and perhaps Moreno some 3B time. Rather not open up space for the heir until the heir is ready and maybe even has to prove himself a bit in the majors too. As much as I love Moreno we've had too many high profile catching prospects not end up working out.
I agree trading Jansen now feels like selling low. I'm also not excited about trading Kirk yet either but I can see how that might make some sense if the return is right.
Seath The Scaleless
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To bad we can't sign all of our top FA players
Semien 20 mil a yr
Ray 25 mil a yr
Will be signed next yr
Guerrero 30 mil a yr
Bichette 20 mil a yr
I think we would beat up on teams next yr
Payroll could be 240 mil
If we could keep that starting rotation together
Semien 20 mil a yr
Ray 25 mil a yr
Will be signed next yr
Guerrero 30 mil a yr
Bichette 20 mil a yr
I think we would beat up on teams next yr
Payroll could be 240 mil
If we could keep that starting rotation together
zeke
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Seath The Scaleless
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Rogers is one of the wealthiest orgs in Canada they can afford to pay these guys their due and im glad they’re finally starting to do so. For too long, Toronto was a large and rich market trying to run a team like the Milwaukee’s and Tampa Bay’s of the world
trellaine201
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I’m mostly happy the Rays managed to tie it, but there is a small part of me that is pissed the Rays managed to pull out another one of those BS plays they always seem to do.
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The 4 games that stood out to me during that horrible 14 game stretch were:
Game 1 vs Seattle where they were in control but somehow couldn't score, Mariners came outta nowhere with a walkoff bases loaded walk
Game 2 vs Seattle which was the ultimate low point for the Jays this season. Lost Springer to what looked like a brutal injury and they completely fell apart in the 7th and 8th innings after leading the whole way (this game was clearly the catalyst to that terrible 4-10 stretch)
Game 1 vs Detroit at home where Ray was his usual beastly self but they gave up a late run and lost in extras
Game 3 vs Detroit at home where they had the lead going into the 9th but once again gave up a run and eventually fell in extras
I know looking into the past is useless but if they could've grabbed 3 out of 4 here that would've been huge
Not only do they not have many salary commitments right now, the also have deadweight coming off the books this offseason (Roark+Tulo and a bunch of pitchers that didn't work out).
Jays can afford their guys even if they don't break the bank on total salary.
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I wonder about their stomach to spend “f*** you” money like some others will to win.
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