Dubois

[King'sPawn]

PLD at his best could be a physical beast. I don't think he slacks as much as some say he does. He is a big man and his skating stride has a bit to do with it. I do think he needs to play with Fiala or Kempe. Problem is, I think Kempe is the catalyst on Kopi's line. When RV gets back, my hope is he goes back with Moore and Danault and Fiala goes back to PLD.

I disagree with a bit of the above.

- PLD takes several shifts off. Not every one, but there's a lot of inconsistency in his effort. Laferriere's motor contrasts Dubois'. It's a stark difference. And when he does take a shift off, it's much more noticeable than others. He just doesn't even loaf effeciently.
- PLD's making more than everyone except Doughty (although Kopitar has a higher cap hit). Saying he needs the two highest-skilled players seems a bit backwards. Players should be needing him. Especially if he's one-dimensional.
- Kempe isn't the catalyst on Kopitar's line. He's the finisher. Kopitar and Byfield do most of the grunt work along the boards to get things going.

Sorry for nitpicking or being argumentative, and maybe my dislike for the trade is more emphatic in my response, but there are still a lot of people (not necessarily you) that are minimizing how much PLD's behavior and low impact is a problem.

 

[BigKing]

PLD at his best could be a physical beast. I don't think he slacks as much as some say he does. He is a big man and his skating stride has a bit to do with it. I do think he needs to play with Fiala or Kempe. Problem is, I think Kempe is the catalyst on Kopi's line. When RV gets back, my hope is he goes back with Moore and Danault and Fiala goes back to PLD.

The Vilardi stuff gnaws at me though. He was becoming a fan favorite and finally showing what he was capable of. I still don't know what happened there. Was there issues behind the scene? Were they worried about injuries?

If they ever put PLD on the wing I will be pissed. That seems to be the main reason they went after him and the main reason they included Gabe.

PLD had a really good season last year playing with Ehlers. I do wonder if he was one of the guys called out by the coach tho. They need to get him going because he won't be going anywhere for a long time.

Kaliyev is working a bit harder on the forecheck but he looks like effing John Zeiler out there the last few games while being on PLD's wing.

Skating stride can have something to do with it sometimes but feet not moving at all is not a skating stride issue.

I've been late to the bash PLD train but, IMO, the lazy shifts have escalated here during this losing streak and I feel like pretty good work from Laf and Kaliyev is being wasted.

 

[LAKings88]

I disagree with a bit of the above.

- PLD takes several shifts off. Not every one, but there's a lot of inconsistency in his effort. Laferriere's motor contrasts Dubois'. It's a stark difference. And when he does take a shift off, it's much more noticeable than others. He just doesn't even loaf effeciently.
- PLD's making more than everyone except Doughty (although Kopitar has a higher cap hit). Saying he needs the two highest-skilled players seems a bit backwards. Players should be needing him. Especially if he's one-dimensional.
- Kempe isn't the catalyst on Kopitar's line. He's the finisher. Kopitar and Byfield do most of the grunt work along the boards to get things going.

Sorry for nitpicking or being argumentative, and maybe my dislike for the trade is more emphatic in my response, but there are still a lot of people (not necessarily you) that are minimizing how much PLD's behavior and low impact is a problem.

I've seen it too I just think there is some hyperbole and exaggeration when people bash on him. Lately I feel like he has made some poor passing decisions, which often seems like his strength, more than the shifts off. I think the pressure is getting to him. Seems to try to do too much. He is holding on too long at times.

 

[Kudelski37]

I've seen it too I just think there is some hyperbole and exaggeration when people bash on him. Lately I feel like he has made some poor passing decisions, which often seems like his strength, more than the shifts off. I think the pressure is getting to him. Seems to try to do too much. He is holding on too long at times.

His skating is an issue. He has little bend in his knees and has a narrow base... his feet are too close together. This means he can't drive, he has a high center of gravity, and little ability to hit or counter a hit. It is why little players have been able to out muscle him on recent goals.

 

[Johnny Utah]

PLD takes a lot of penalties including boarding and questionable hits - I kinda like that about him. Explains why his PIM's are high going back to juniors - he's only good for 1-2 fights a year, so he basically plays on the edge and rarely has to or answers the bell. He probably gets a way without a lot of because he's a star player (allegedly).

 

[Kudelski37]

PLD takes a lot of penalties including boarding and questionable hits - I kinda like that about him. Explains why his PIM's are high going back to juniors - he's only good for 1-2 fights a year, so he basically plays on the edge and rarely has to or answers the bell. He probably gets a way without a lot of because he's a star player (allegedly).

No opponent wants PLD to fight because that means he is off the ice for 5 straight minutes.

 

[johnjm22]

Remember also that Vilardi is one of the best players in the NHL at drawing penalties.

I think he's had the 5th best penalty differential combined over the past 3 seasons or so.

So you're losing that when you go from GV to PLD.

 

[Kudelski37]

Remember also that Vilardi is one of the best players in the NHL at drawing penalties.

I think he's had the 5th best penalty differential combined over the past 3 seasons or so.

So you're losing that when you go from GV to PLD.

And take aways, turnovers, faceoffs, shooting, passing, etc. The Kings didn't upgrade in any facet of the game with this trade....but the Kings changed the listed height of PLD to make it look like they got the bigger player.

Blake needs to walk through LA wearing a PLD jersey while someone rings a bell yelling shame.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

They traded Mark Stone + + + for Dustin Penner

 

[FrozenKing18]

Can we interview Dustin Brown’s kids and ask them what they think of PLD’s performace so far this season?

 

[jokesondee]

Maybe some of his struggles are related to being in a new environement and figuring things out on and off the ice with a new city/team. This was an article at the beginning of his 2nd season with the Jets after his first season was less than stellar: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/dubois-winnipeg-jets-second-season-1.6184906. Some guys take some time to come around. I have a hard time believing this is the real him. He was pretty awesome for the last 2 seasons in Winnipeg. Maybe its more of a mental thing. I dont believe he got paid and decided to mail it in. Too much pride. Heres hoping he can overcome whatevers going on and be the player he's been in the past for you guys.

 

[AbsentMojo]

I've seen it too I just think there is some hyperbole and exaggeration when people bash on him. Lately I feel like he has made some poor passing decisions, which often seems like his strength, more than the shifts off. I think the pressure is getting to him. Seems to try to do too much. He is holding on too long at times.

I think the core of it is his hockey IQ is pretty mid in all zones. Skates into trouble a lot in the o-zone... in the d-zone you can see how he doesnt move his feet, doesnt stop and start quickly when a defender makes a move to get past him - and he reaches a lot with his stick which is a sign of laziness.

 

[Johnny Utah]

His foot speed bothers me most.

 

[tigermask48]

Me after almost every PLD shift

 

[FrozenKing18]

Maybe some of his struggles are related to being in a new environement and figuring things out on and off the ice with a new city/team. This was an article at the beginning of his 2nd season with the Jets after his first season was less than stellar: https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/dubois-winnipeg-jets-second-season-1.6184906. Some guys take some time to come around. I have a hard time believing this is the real him. He was pretty awesome for the last 2 seasons in Winnipeg. Maybe its more of a mental thing. I dont believe he got paid and decided to mail it in. Too much pride. Heres hoping he can overcome whatevers going on and be the player he's been in the past for you guys.

I remember reading this article when a Jets fan posted something similar to this nature that he was terrible on his 1st season in Winnipeg and was a lot better player on his 2nd season. One can hope this is truly the case with PLD, but damn if it isn’t disappointing and frustrating watching him out there. Actually wish we had more gritty vet presence to get him going and maybe the other kids too.

 

[Sol]

I’m almost tempted to go back to the PLD trade and quote all the Vilardi detractors on here. I stand firmly on the fact that Vilardi is and was the best player from the draft.

 

[Schrute farms]

I’m almost tempted to go back to the PLD trade and quote all the Vilardi detractors on here. I stand firmly on the fact that Vilardi is and was the best player from the draft.

I was wondering where that thread was -- because i was horrified at the trade. Both for getting PLD and what we gave up. I also recall saying somewhere in there that Winn would be really good & better than the Kings.

 

[kilowatt]

I’m almost tempted to go back to the PLD trade and quote all the Vilardi detractors on here. I stand firmly on the fact that Vilardi is and was the best player from the draft.

I was wondering where that thread was -- because i was horrified at the trade. Both for getting PLD and what we gave up. I also recall saying somewhere in there that Winn would be really good & better than the Kings.

Kings board thread: Confirmed with Link: - Alex Iafallo, Rasmus Kuapri, Gabe Vilardi + 2024 2nd round pick to Winnipeg for Pierre-Luc Dubois

Jets board thread: Confirmed with Link: - PLD to the Kings for Iafallo, Vilardi, Kupari and a 2nd in 2024 (orig Mtl’s pick)

Trade board thread: Confirmed Trade: - [LAK/WPG] Pierre-Luc Dubois (signs 8 years, $8.5M AAV) for Gabe Vilardi, Alex Iafallo, Rasmus Kupari, 2024 2nd round pick

Trade board speculation thread: Speculation: - Pierre-Luc Dubois Mega thread. (LAK frontrunner, but Montreal has circled back)

 

[King'sPawn]

Kings board thread: Confirmed with Link: - Alex Iafallo, Rasmus Kuapri, Gabe Vilardi + 2024 2nd round pick to Winnipeg for Pierre-Luc Dubois

Jets board thread: Confirmed with Link: - PLD to the Kings for Iafallo, Vilardi, Kupari and a 2nd in 2024 (orig Mtl’s pick)

Trade board thread: Confirmed Trade: - [LAK/WPG] Pierre-Luc Dubois (signs 8 years, $8.5M AAV) for Gabe Vilardi, Alex Iafallo, Rasmus Kupari, 2024 2nd round pick

Trade board speculation thread: Speculation: - Pierre-Luc Dubois Mega thread. (LAK frontrunner, but Montreal has circled back)

I'm shocked at how calm and generous I was in the first response of the Kings board thread.

 

[tigermask48]

That’s the price you pay for a bonafide 1C not a 2c with potential.

In the category of comments that have aged like milk... Good lord, this post by LeftKinger in that Kings thread.

 

[kilowatt]

When framed correctly, the trade looks a lot better. For example, if you compare PL Dubois to former all-rookie defenseman Marc-Edouard Vlasic, another famous Francophone with a two-consonant first name abbreviation, who leads the list of the NHL's (least) best contracts, Dubois' stats and contract don't look quite as bad.

 

[Maynard]

If you add a bunch of goals and assists to his point totals it doesn’t look that bad you guys. Just look at things differently and pretend it’s better! You can pretend OT losses aren’t part of the losing streak! Suspend reality and make the Kings better than they are in your mind.

Man I should start a podcast.

 

[King'sPawn]

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When framed correctly, the trade looks a lot better. For example, if you compare PL Dubois to former all-rookie defenseman Marc-Edouard Vlasic, another famous Francophone with a two-consonant first name abbreviation, who leads the list of the NHL's (least) best contracts, Dubois' stats and contract don't look quite as bad.

How does Vlasic look like Marleau if you shave his eyebrows a bit?

 

[bland]

I disagree with a bit of the above.

- PLD takes several shifts off. Not every one, but there's a lot of inconsistency in his effort. Laferriere's motor contrasts Dubois'. It's a stark difference. And when he does take a shift off, it's much more noticeable than others. He just doesn't even loaf effeciently.
- PLD's making more than everyone except Doughty (although Kopitar has a higher cap hit). Saying he needs the two highest-skilled players seems a bit backwards. Players should be needing him. Especially if he's one-dimensional.
- Kempe isn't the catalyst on Kopitar's line. He's the finisher. Kopitar and Byfield do most of the grunt work along the boards to get things going.

Sorry for nitpicking or being argumentative, and maybe my dislike for the trade is more emphatic in my response, but there are still a lot of people (not necessarily you) that are minimizing how much PLD's behavior and low impact is a problem.

Hell, Dubois is rarely even in frame when Laferriere enters the zone.

I could re-read these old threads all day. Such an ego boost. Let's do the Fiala one next!

 

[kilowatt]

The Fiala and Dubois trades are very different in my eyes. I don’t think anyone’s questioning Fiala’s drive. He’s a guy who can help you win. I can’t say the same for Dubois thus far in his career. I’m almost starting to feel badly for him because the Kings losing isn’t solely on his shoulders.

With that said, and pardon my French Canadian, Dubois sucks fat chode.