Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part VII (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

[Beacon]

Are you really asking why the rebuild might be shorter now that we will be drafting Kakko/Hughes vs whoever we would have taken around 7th?

Do we have 3 guys like Leetch, Zubov and Messier? Cindy, Malkin and Kessel? Kane, Toews, Duncan? Jagr, Mario and Francis? Brodeur, Stevens, Niedermayer? Lidstrom, Fedorov, Yzerman?

You need 3 legit superstars who make All Star games regularly plus a legit support staff of guys who can look like superstars on any given night (Graves, Richter, Kovalev; Nicholls, Richer, Claude Lemieux; Letang, Neal/Horn, etc) to win the Cup.

Name our 3 superstars and 3 more stars. Kakko is 1 (maybe). Maybe Zibanejad. 4 more? Ok then the rebuilding continues until we get this sucker right.

 

[Fitzy]

Do we have 3 guys like Leetch, Zubov and Messier? Cindy, Malkin and Kessel? Kane, Toews, Crawford? Jagr, Mario and Francis? Brodeur, Stevens, Niedermayer? Lidstrom, Fedorov, Yzerman?

You need 3 legit superstars who make All Star games regularly plus a legit support staff of guys who can look like superstars on any given night (Graves, Richter, Kovalev; Nicholls, Richer, Claude Lemieux; Letang, Neal/Horn, etc) to win the Cup.

Name our 3 superstars and 3 more stars. Kakko is 1 (maybe). Maybe Zibanejad. 4 more? Ok then the rebuilding continues until we get this sucker right.

This kind of stands out. Maybe you could've gone with Keith?

But yeah, we're not done by any imagination. I completely agree there. In the meantime we'll hope that Miller, Kravtsov, Shestyorkin, and Chytil have some shots at being stars.

 

[Rempe73]

Every year the draft seems amazing because scouting reports mention 5-6 positives for every negative.

A quarter century ago I was pimping some Rangers draftee to my Isles fan friend. He was like, "I don't care about your 4th round pick, he sucks." I began pulling out scouting reports on all the things that kid does well to prove he doesn't suck when my friend made a good point: "Of course he does some things well. He got drafted. Regular guys like us dont get drafted. Even a kid who is scouted and never drafted in any of the 12 rounds is still amazing because you and I aren't getting scouted and he is."

This is why if you read scouting reports of 7th round picks, they will all seem amazing. Great shot, good skater, fancy stickhandling. Theres a reason they get drafted. Theres also a reason 90% of draftees outside the very top fail to establish long-term NHL careers.

Yea I noticed that as well. It’s so annoying when almost every scouting report about every player is overwhelmingly positive. But I get it. A scout would say, “X player is great at Y and Z,” but they probably mean he’s great relative to the league he’s in. I’ve also noticed that skating and shooting are two of the most overrated attributes.

 

[SA16]

Do we have 3 guys like Leetch, Zubov and Messier? Cindy, Malkin and Kessel? Kane, Toews, Crawford? Jagr, Mario and Francis? Brodeur, Stevens, Niedermayer? Lidstrom, Fedorov, Yzerman?

You need 3 legit superstars who make All Star games regularly plus a legit support staff of guys who can look like superstars on any given night (Graves, Richter, Kovalev; Nicholls, Richer, Claude Lemieux; Letang, Neal/Horn, etc) to win the Cup.

Name our 3 superstars and 3 more stars. Kakko is 1 (maybe). Maybe Zibanejad. 4 more? Ok then the rebuilding continues until we get this sucker right.

Kakko
Zibanejad
Panarin

DeAngelo Kravtsov Georgiev

 

[LeetchisGod]

Do we have 3 guys like Leetch, Zubov and Messier? Cindy, Malkin and Kessel? Kane, Toews, Crawford? Jagr, Mario and Francis? Brodeur, Stevens, Niedermayer? Lidstrom, Fedorov, Yzerman?

You need 3 legit superstars who make All Star games regularly plus a legit support staff of guys who can look like superstars on any given night (Graves, Richter, Kovalev; Nicholls, Richer, Claude Lemieux; Letang, Neal/Horn, etc) to win the Cup.

Name our 3 superstars and 3 more stars. Kakko is 1 (maybe). Maybe Zibanejad. 4 more? Ok then the rebuilding continues until we get this sucker right.

This is why having at least one lottery pick in the incredibly deep 2020 draft is important. Grab another stud in that draft and go to work.

 

[Matt4776]

Then why keep Zibanejad if it's going to take so long to become contenders? Do you really want to be paying an over 30 year old potentially declining player double digits in cap when we are finally good enough to compete for a cup? I don't understand the idea that we have to wait for players to peak before we can finally make moves for high-end UFA's or whatever. The best time to add those pieces would be before their ELC's expire, or at the very least before their 2nd contracts are up. Let's not forget that there are so many players who are major contributors on good teams at 19-21 and it doesn't add up.

Name the major contributors who are 19-21 on cup contenders.

Off the top of my head, I count Laine, Tkachuk, and Marner/Matthews. Laine has Wheeler/Scheifele. Even Connor. Trouba. And they've been a 0.500 team since their hot streak. We don't have a Wheeler, Connor, or Trouba. We have one center in Mika.

Tkachuk has Johnny Hockey. Monahan. Giordano. Lindholm. We have Mika.

Marner/Matthews are the best players on that team. A #1 overall pick and a #4 overall pick. This is Matthews' D+3. Marner's D+4. Who is our Marner? Even if its Kravtsov (which is a massive, massive, <5% if), you're looking at 3 more years. Oh, and they have Tavares.

21 is really the minimum. By that time, Mika will be 28. Panarin will be 31. When our best players are 23, Panarin will be 33. Mika 30. 30 is more than fine at that point. He won't be the only person carrying the team.

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Name the major contributors who are 19-21 on cup contenders.

Off the top of my head, I count Laine, Tkachuk, and Marner/Matthews. Laine has Wheeler/Scheifele. Even Connor. Trouba. And they've been a 0.500 team since their hot streak. We don't have a Wheeler, Connor, or Trouba. We have one center in Mika.

Tkachuk has Johnny Hockey. Monahan. Giordano. Lindholm. We have Mika.

Marner/Matthews are the best players on that team. A #1 overall pick and a #4 overall pick. This is Matthews' D+3. Marner's D+4. Who is our Marner? Even if its Kravtsov (which is a massive, massive, <5% if), you're looking at 3 more years. Oh, and they have Tavares.

21 is really the minimum. By that time, Mika will be 28. Panarin will be 31. When our best players are 23, Panarin will be 33. Mika 30. 30 is more than fine at that point. He won't be the only person carrying the team.

Assuming Panarin is healthy, he'll more than likely be fine at 31.

 

[I Eat Crow]

There's no way a UFA Kreider comes close to getting us an 8 OA. This is like that fantasy that Talbot will get us a 9OA pick.

Read the last sentence of my post again. The Rangers would most definitely have to add. Whether that's another high pick or decent prospect or doing a favor for the Oilers by taking some salary back.

 

[Sayba]

I've been watching highlights and Podkolzin is fun to watch, his speed is top end, good shot and can stick handle.

 

[DanielBrassard]

Name the major contributors who are 19-21 on cup contenders.

Off the top of my head, I count Laine, Tkachuk, and Marner/Matthews. Laine has Wheeler/Scheifele. Even Connor. Trouba. And they've been a 0.500 team since their hot streak. We don't have a Wheeler, Connor, or Trouba. We have one center in Mika.

Tkachuk has Johnny Hockey. Monahan. Giordano. Lindholm. We have Mika.

Marner/Matthews are the best players on that team. A #1 overall pick and a #4 overall pick. This is Matthews' D+3. Marner's D+4. Who is our Marner? Even if its Kravtsov (which is a massive, massive, <5% if), you're looking at 3 more years. Oh, and they have Tavares.

21 is really the minimum. By that time, Mika will be 28. Panarin will be 31. When our best players are 23, Panarin will be 33. Mika 30. 30 is more than fine at that point. He won't be the only person carrying the team.

Just looking at this season: Aho, McAvoy, Heiskanen, Marner, Matthews, Tkachuk, Pastrnak, Laine, Barzal, Dubois, Werenski, Rantanen,. And then there are others who weren't on good teams but were still very good NHL'ers at that age range like Pettersson, Eichel, Dahlin, McDavid, Brady Tkachuk, Chabot. among numerous others who were contributing when they were in that age range. If some Ranger prospects are of this variety they should be major contributors rather soon.

The point is, we shouldn't have to wait until our young talent is at the 23-26 range to add to the team or compete because 1. Players are entering the league earlier and are contributing at an earlier age and 2. Waiting until they are on their 2nd contracts eliminates taking advantage of their low-value ELC's.

 

[ecemleafs]

Trade kreider. Sign panarin and make sure he plays the whole year with mono. Let zibby celebrate his career year all summer DJing in ibiza. Draft lafreniere in 2020 and win the cup in 2021.

 

[Matt4776]

Just looking at this season: Aho, McAvoy, Heiskanen, Marner, Matthews, Tkachuk, Pastrnak, Laine, Barzal, Dubois, Werenski, Rantanen,. And then there are others who weren't on good teams but were still very good NHL'ers at that age range like Pettersson, Eichel, Dahlin, McDavid, Brady Tkachuk, Chabot. among numerous others who were contributing when they were in that age range. If some Ranger prospects are of this variety they should be major contributors rather soon.

The point is, we shouldn't have to wait until our young talent is at the 23-26 range to add to the team or compete because 1. Players are entering the league earlier and are contributing at an earlier age and 2. Waiting until they are on their 2nd contracts eliminates taking advantage of their low-value ELC's.

First, you listed some 22 year olds.

Second, I don't consider the BJs (who went for it all this year costing them 1st rounders), the Canes, Avs, or Isles cup contenders. Do you? Is that what you want us to aspire to?

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Four picks into mock drafting for the Rangers and I’ve taken only forwards

I went

2: Kaapo Kakko
22: Samuel Poulin
37: Robert Mastrosimone
47: John Farinacci

Any defenseman to keep an eye out for at the back half of the second/beginning of the third? Some guys I liked at 47 (Korczak(sp?) and Johnson) got scooped up.

 

[Lays]

Four picks into mock drafting for the Rangers and I’ve taken only forwards

I went

2: Kaapo Kakko
22: Samuel Poulin
37: Robert Mastrosimone
47: John Farinacci

Any defenseman to keep an eye out for at the back half of the second/beginning of the third? Some guys I liked at 47 (Korczak(sp?) and Johnson) got scooped up.

Great to see Poulin at 22, guys a beast

Bolduc, Bychkov, Nousiainen, Orekhov, Bergeron, Moberg, Tuomisto. They all will likely be there

Diving deeper
Loponen, Guenette, Hlavac, LaCombe, Ahac, Z. Jones, Wilsby
All worth looking into rounds 4-7

 

[True Blue]

This is why having at least one lottery pick in the incredibly deep 2020 draft is important. Grab another stud in that draft and go to work.

Exactly right. Embrace the suck for one more year. Continue to play your guts out. The next draft may well approach 2003 levels. The start of the 2020 year could be the most exciting in a long time for Rangers fans.

 

[True Blue]

Four picks into mock drafting for the Rangers and I’ve taken only forwards

I went

2: Kaapo Kakko
22: Samuel Poulin
37: Robert Mastrosimone
47: John Farinacci

Any defenseman to keep an eye out for at the back half of the second/beginning of the third? Some guys I liked at 47 (Korczak(sp?) and Johnson) got scooped up.

Poulin will be around in the 2nd

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Poulin will be around in the 2nd

Yeah i don’t think so man

 

[True Blue]

Yeah i don’t think so man

To be clear, I like him A LOT and would love to leave with him. But he is a player sort of like Sieder, that I think will be there with the Rangers early 2nd.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

To be clear, I like him A LOT and would love to leave with him. But he is a player sort of like Sieder, that I think will be there with the Rangers early 2nd.

I’d be absolutely f***ing floored if Seider and Poulin aren’t first rounders

I just don’t see them being anywhere near 37. I think they’re arguably both top 20.

 

[True Blue]

I’d be absolutely ****ing floored if Seider and Poulin aren’t first rounders

I just don’t see them being anywhere near 37. I think they’re arguably both top 20.

We will have to agree to disagree. And remember to compare notes when the draft is done. I would not take either ahead of Dorofeyev for instance. And all of the pundits (aside from HF) see him sliding past the first round.

 

[bobbop]

IF the Rangers are able to trade for a pick as high as 8 AND Podkolzin falls because of signing concerns, do you take him there?

 

[Brooklyn Rangers Fan]

IF the Rangers are able to trade for a pick as high as 8 AND Podkolzin falls because of signing concerns, do you take him there?

If you can get to 8, I think you take one of the centers.

 

[Matt4776]

IF the Rangers are able to trade for a pick as high as 8 AND Podkolzin falls because of signing concerns, do you take him there?

I probably don't pay what it costs to move up to take another winger.

But if we trade Kreider for the 14th and he's still there, I'm all ears.

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

IF the Rangers are able to trade for a pick as high as 8 AND Podkolzin falls because of signing concerns, do you take him there?

Depends who’s there beside Podkolzin

 

[Trxjw]

If you can get to 8, I think you take one of the centers.

Ideally, yes. However if Podkolzin is available at 8, there's a decent chance all of the top centers are off the board -- at least the ones we've been talking about around here. At that point you'd need another D other than Byram to sneak into the top-7, or someone to really like Krebs.