Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part VII (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

[Joey Bones]

Winnipeg drops another game... down 0-2

With that said Tampa is also down in their series with CBJ....

 

[Trxjw]

Well, there's always hope for the Tampa pick to be a guaranteed 1st by taking on Callahan as a cap dump.

 

[Joey Bones]

Гусев и Гавриков присоединятся к клубам НХЛ на время розыгрыша Кубка Стэнли - ХК СКА Санкт-Петербург, 2019/04/13

And just like that, Podkolzin gets a real shot at SKA's top 6....

 

[Polar Bear]

Гусев и Гавриков присоединятся к клубам НХЛ на время розыгрыша Кубка Стэнли - ХК СКА Санкт-Петербург, 2019/04/13

And just like that, Podkolzin gets a real shot at SKA's top 6....

He's not coming over for like 2 years, right?

 

[Mikos87]

The issues in EDM are more roster centric when you consider that they really have 6 good players.

McDavid
Drai
Nuge
Nurse
Klef
Larson

Those are the only guys that can fill a consistent role.

They'll get Bouchard in that mix, and between the high mile vets on D, who can PK... They'll be alright on defense.

What they lack is speed and checking line players up front and top end goaltending.

So it does make sense that they can move their 1st to fill in those holes.

But the question is, what do the Rangers have that would get that pick?

IMO EDM moves that pick for a cost controlled youngish goal scorer that can skate.

Or a package deal where they unload some of their cap hits while getting back a "third line"

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

He's not coming over for like 2 years, right?

His KHL contract expires in 2021, but he can buy it out as long as he files before Nov 2019

 

[Joey Bones]

He's not coming over for like 2 years, right?

As per that interview he did at the beginning of the year, that is correct. Maybe even three years. But what was concerning was if he was going to be given a chance to play in SKA's top 6. They're stacked up front. With Gusev gone and officially going to Vegas, this gives him a huge opportunity to help strengthen his development!!

 

[Joey Bones]

 

[Ori]

Alex he will more likely go top #3 if Chicago need a center. The 3rd best player in 2019 draft in my view is Vasily Podkolzin though - the russian and no doubts about it.

 

[Ola]

With that said Tampa is also down in their series with CBJ....

CBJ was up 2-0 against Washington last season, right? Have they learned their lesson, or will we get a repeat from the team that comes back from being down 2-0 against CBJ?

 

[Ghost of jas]

With the likelihood of Kakko coming our way, I want centers and RHDs with the rest of the potential 1sts, unless an obvious faller is there. Trade up to grab one of Dach/Zegras, and then grab someone like Seider.

 

[cheech70]

His stats really popped this year....Sleeper riser

 

[pld459666]

Edmonton is desperate. They can’t afford to rebuild with McDavid and Draisaitl on the team. He’ll ask for a trade for sure or he’ll leave through FA once his current contract is over. Oilers need to fix things quick. Vets make more sense than younger players too for them. I’d really hate to be GM of that team, so much pressure

Agreed.

The biggest issue for Edm is that they cant attract free talent to augment the elite level talent they do have.

If there is a REBUILD on the horizon in Edmonton, then they should close up shop for good

 

[brians1128]

With the likelihood of Kakko coming our way, I want centers and RHDs with the rest of the potential 1sts, unless an obvious faller is there. Trade up to grab one of Dach/Zegras, and then grab someone like Seider.

Im thinking the same thing. If they cant get a deal into the top 10 then I would like to see them focus on Newhook in the teens. As far as Seider goes, I would bet he's gone in the teens too but I would focus on Kayden Korczak with the 37th.

 

[Miamipuck]

Kreider has an 11 team no trade list. Perhaps we should remember that he has a degree of control over some potential moves.

Come on, what's the chances of Edmonton being on that list?


That said, half the trade proposals in this place involve Edmonton. I find that fascinating.

 

[wafflepadsave]

Winnipeg drops another game... down 0-2

Hayes has been noticeably quiet thus far.

 

[Fugazy]

Hayes has been noticeably quiet thus far.

That’s nothing new for him in the playoffs.

 

[Beacon]

Is this draft possibly deeper than we were led to believe? Maybe it’s just the 1st round that’s deep? Because I see a lot of pretty damn good prospects we could draft.

Every year the draft seems amazing because scouting reports mention 5-6 positives for every negative.

A quarter century ago I was pimping some Rangers draftee to my Isles fan friend. He was like, "I don't care about your 4th round pick, he sucks." I began pulling out scouting reports on all the things that kid does well to prove he doesn't suck when my friend made a good point: "Of course he does some things well. He got drafted. Regular guys like us dont get drafted. Even a kid who is scouted and never drafted in any of the 12 rounds is still amazing because you and I aren't getting scouted and he is."

This is why if you read scouting reports of 7th round picks, they will all seem amazing. Great shot, good skater, fancy stickhandling. Theres a reason they get drafted. Theres also a reason 90% of draftees outside the very top fail to establish long-term NHL careers.

 

[Beacon]

If Podkolzin goes in the top 5 to a team willing to be patient with him, one of them will be there at Edmonton's pick at 8th overall.

I may have hallucinated, but I think a couple of sources are saying that Edmonton is wary of the American kids that will be available in their range going the NCAA route and potentially refusing to sign there. Also would consider moving the pick for immediate help to make the playoffs.

That screams Kreider to me. Question is how much would the Rangers need to add.

There's no way a UFA Kreider comes close to getting us an 8 OA. This is like that fantasy that Talbot will get us a 9OA pick.

 

[Beacon]

Byram maybe? It’d be insane if we can get another top 10 pick though. Rebuild is starting look like it’s going to be shorter than initially expected with us getting Kakko

Why would it be shorter? Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, K'Andre, etc will hit their prime around 23-26 years of age. So if all works out amazingly well, just perfectly, we're talking about a 4-5 years wait. That's assuming nobody busts, nobody is a late bloomer and in fact, everyone blooms very early.

 

[Matt4776]

Why would it be shorter? Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, K'Andre, etc will hit their prime around 23-26 years of age. So if all works out amazingly well, just perfectly, we're talking about a 4-5 years wait. That's assuming nobody busts, nobody is a late bloomer and in fact, everyone blooms very early.

I think some people define the rebuilding as "ending" when we start competing for a playoff birth.

I think we can compete for a playoff birth sooner than that 23-26 window. But I agree we wouldn't be true cup contenders until at minimum that 22-26 window.

 

[SA16]

Why would it be shorter? Kakko, Chytil, Kravtsov, K'Andre, etc will hit their prime around 23-26 years of age. So if all works out amazingly well, just perfectly, we're talking about a 4-5 years wait. That's assuming nobody busts, nobody is a late bloomer and in fact, everyone blooms very early.

Are you really asking why the rebuild might be shorter now that we will be drafting Kakko/Hughes vs whoever we would have taken around 7th?

 

[Matt4776]

Are you really asking why the rebuild might be shorter now that we will be drafting Kakko/Hughes vs whoever we would have taken around 7th?

I think the asset accumulation phase might be shorter. We have someone that is much closer to be guaranteed a superstar than who we'd get at the 7th.

But it's likely not going to make us Cup contenders any sooner than we would be otherwise. I think it certainly helps the likelihood that the rebuild succeeds, but the timeline remains relatively unchanged as far as Cup contention.

I do think that we'd likely be able to make the playoffs a bit earlier, though.

 

[Beacon]

I don’t think now would be the right time to move Chytil. He fits in with the future of this team and has unique skills that will translate to this team’s success. He should be someone that is part of the building process.

To be fair, he will no longer be a teenager in less than half a year and still hasn't established himself as a 1C. Time to go. Anyone who didnt hit his ceiling while a teenager obviously won't.

20 is the new 40.

 

[DanielBrassard]

I think some people define the rebuilding as "ending" when we start competing for a playoff birth.

I think we can compete for a playoff birth sooner than that 23-26 window. But I agree we wouldn't be true cup contenders until at minimum that 22-26 window.

Then why keep Zibanejad if it's going to take so long to become contenders? Do you really want to be paying an over 30 year old potentially declining player double digits in cap when we are finally good enough to compete for a cup? I don't understand the idea that we have to wait for players to peak before we can finally make moves for high-end UFA's or whatever. The best time to add those pieces would be before their ELC's expire, or at the very least before their 2nd contracts are up. Let's not forget that there are so many players who are major contributors on good teams at 19-21 and it doesn't add up.