Speculation: Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part IX (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

[Amazing Kreiderman]

who has the highest ceiling out of the 3? i still think zegras and newhook will probably play a year or 2 in the ncaa. isnt the main reason podkolzin might fall is his 2 year commitment to the khl?

Podkolzin can technically come over immediately since his contract is expiring in more than 18 months and can be bought out. Podkolzin has stated that he won't come over unless he's ready for the NHL though. I think there's a misconception regarding Podkolzin and his contract status.

 

[offdacrossbar]

would the perfect 1st round be kakko at #2 trade kreider to edmonton for podkolzin at #8 and york at #20? that's the best scenario i can think of

this scenario makes me want to run over small furry animals

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

would the perfect 1st round be kakko at #2 trade kreider to edmonton for podkolzin at #8 and york at #20? that's the best scenario i can think of

After having seen 30-ish games of him this season I am not wasting a top-10 pick on Podkolzin. And the Rangers should not go for a defenseman at 20. I understand the whole "Go BPA" thing but at some point organizational need has to play a role. We have 3(!) unsigned forward prospects at the moment: Morgan Barron, Lauri Pajuniemi and Riley Hughes. We desperately need to restock the shelves in that department

 

[Trxjw]

Organizational need is easily balanced if you're teeming with quality puck moving defensemen. Take the best player on your board. Period. In the extremely rare situation that you rank two guys evenly? Sure, go for need.

 

[Fitzy]

Every year it seems there's one player from the lower Russian leagues that is always characterized as having "Possibly the most raw skill in the draft" and a "Risky pick"

It's becoming a bit of a stereotype at this point.

 

[SML2]

If this team takes a goalie at 20 after burning a second rounder on one last year I'm going to be twisted.

 

[Edge]

Every year it seems there's one player from the lower Russian leagues that is always characterized as having "Possibly the most raw skill in the draft" and a "Risky pick"

It's becoming a bit of a stereotype at this point.

But like most stereotypes, there's some truth to it.

The Russian system, even now, places a lot of emphasis on skills training like puck handling, skating, agility, edgework, etc.

But it's also still somewhat challenging to gauge those skills because of different leagues, coach preferences, talent imbalances, and frankly because sometimes pretty displays of skill don't translate to the NHL.

But I also think we tend to overlook the same comments about North American players putting it all together --- for example, Brady Tkachuk, who just last year we talked about being perhaps the most unique combination in the draft.

 

[Ghost of jas]

If this team takes a goalie at 20 after burning a second rounder on one last year I'm going to be twisted.

Gorton has actually said they won’t be taking a goalie in the 1st round. That’s why I’m all for them using both 2nds to move up in the first round.

 

[offdacrossbar]

just keep gordie clark away from the decision making.

give him a popsicle and some pretend authority and leave the draft picks to the pros.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

just keep gordie clark away from the decision making.

give him a popsicle and some pretend authority and leave the draft picks to the pros.

Clearly you don't know how they decide which players to pick if you think Gordie Clark is the problem

 

[offdacrossbar]

Clearly you don't know how they decide which players to pick if you think Gordie Clark is the problem

clearly i remember dylan mcilrath

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

clearly i remember dylan mcilrath

It's not 1 person who decides who gets picked.

 

[offdacrossbar]

It's not 1 person who decides who gets picked.

from what i know, gordie was the momentum behind that pick

so i guess well disagree here

 

[LeetchisGod]

from what i know, gordie was the momentum behind that pick

so i guess well disagree here

If so, that should have cost him his job.

 

[pblawr]

clearly i remember dylan mcilrath

Yzerman drafted Brett Connolly 6th OA in the same draft.

David Poile took David Legwand 2nd OA, Brian Finley 6th OA, and Scottie Upshall 6th OA.

I guarantee you that every guy that runs an NHL draft with any kind of tenure has made mistakes. I bet that if you review your old posts, you might even find some mistakes there too. Drafting is really hard and everyone makes mistakes. Thinking that someone is bad at it because of one mistake over a 14 year period is not a really thoughtful opinion.

 

[QJL]

would the perfect 1st round be kakko at #2 trade kreider to edmonton for podkolzin at #8 and york at #20? that's the best scenario i can think of

I prefer drafting one of the centers (Dach, Turcotte, Newhook) at 8 and I think we will see a better player than York at 20.

I have Podkolzin at 8 and York at 20 on my list. Just saying I don’t see that as the best case scenario, although it’s one I’d be very happy with.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Yzerman drafted Brett Connolly 6th OA in the same draft.

David Poile took David Legwand 2nd OA, Brian Finley 6th OA, and Scottie Upshall 6th OA.

I guarantee you that every guy that runs an NHL draft with any kind of tenure has made mistakes. I bet that if you review your old posts, you might even find some mistakes there too. Drafting is really hard and everyone makes mistakes. Thinking that someone is bad at it because of one mistake over a 14 year period is not a really thoughtful opinion.

Ask him about Enver Lisin

 

[Bluenote13]

Yzerman drafted Brett Connolly 6th OA in the same draft.

David Poile took David Legwand 2nd OA, Brian Finley 6th OA, and Scottie Upshall 6th OA.

I guarantee you that every guy that runs an NHL draft with any kind of tenure has made mistakes. I bet that if you review your old posts, you might even find some mistakes there too. Drafting is really hard and everyone makes mistakes. Thinking that someone is bad at it because of one mistake over a 14 year period is not a really thoughtful opinion.

Yeah but at least Yzerman and Poile were able to recoup their losses with trades involving those guys that brought back assets that helped those teams.

Mcilrath was a waste of a top ten pick, AND he didn't return ANY resale value.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Yeah but at least Yzerman and Poile were able to recoup their losses with trades involving those guys that brought back assets that helped those teams.

Mcilrath was a waste of a top ten pick, AND he didn't return ANY resale value.

What assets did those players return that lead those teams to the promise land?

 

[offdacrossbar]

Ask him about Enver Lisin

im never wrong

and who is this enver lisin you speak of ?

 

[Mac n Gs]

Yeah but at least Yzerman and Poile were able to recoup their losses with trades involving those guys that brought back assets that helped those teams.

Mcilrath was a waste of a top ten pick, AND he didn't return ANY resale value.

Excuse you. He brought back Steve Kampfer, who then brought us Adam McQuaid. McQuaid brought us enduring pain, so re-check your analysis.

 

[Fireonk]

Yeah but at least Yzerman and Poile were able to recoup their losses with trades involving those guys that brought back assets that helped those teams.

Mcilrath was a waste of a top ten pick, AND he didn't return ANY resale value.

I mean Gordie Clark can't really rectify a bad pick with getting value in a trade. He has no real say post draft.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

I mean Gordie Clark can't really rectify a bad pick with getting value in a trade. He has no real say post draft.

Why are people comparing a head of scouting to GMs?

 

[Lion Hound]

Biggest problem ive seen with Gordie Clark was lack of picks over a decade of drafting.

 

[Bluenote13]

What assets did those players return that lead those teams to the promise land?

Promised land? No. But at the very least they held some sort of trade value you'd expect from a former top pick.