Decent chance Zegras is who we would have drafted if he was available and we didn't get the 2nd pick. Grew up in the area playing in the Rangers junior hockey teams. Got recruited to BU by none other than our very own David Quinn. I fully expect the Rangers to try to make a move to grab him if he falls.
Speculation: Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part IX (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)
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The next one will be during the Stanley Cup Final. Think that might be a topic of conversation.
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I have some concerns about out Kaliyev - namely his drive, his ability to adapt and his ability away from the puck, but I am much more receptive to him at 20 than I was in the top 10.
While I personally would be thrilled to come away with Kakko, Zegras and Kaliyev, I’m not sure the Rangers can get to 12 without at least surrendering a second (and I assume the pick they acquired for Kreider.)
I’ll guess Pionk/Names/Fast might be part of the backstory, but something tells me a second would have to be part of the offer.
But if that first round happens for the Rangers, I’ll personally come into the city and buy you your drink of choice.
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I suspected as much, and others heard some rumors he was high on their list (I did not).
There was also the believe the Rangers might’ve been the team that had him 4th on their list.
Before the Hughes-Kakko debate, there were volumes dedicated to discussing Zegras and Turcotte.
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I am in full agreement there. I would add one of the seconds to #20 to pick either or broberg. Adding Zerg is would be a grand slam
Honestly a guy I'm really intrigued by. Sounds like he could be a really really good 2C or not really do much at the next level. Hopefully some other guys with some more knowledge of him could weight in???
I remember him being really hyped up much earlier in the season
The tempo was a bit too high for him at the U18s, just got 0+1 in 5 games. It was the same at the Hlinka tournament.
Overall, he just isn’t that talented.
I don’t think there are many high potential forwards out there after the top 15.
One is Bobby Brink. He has the necessary skill level to put up pts at any level. His overall engine is however not at all where it needs to be. I never saw any of that when I’ve looked at high lights of him, but in the U18s it was very obvious how the game was really fast for him. But, a ‘positive’ is that he isn’t that type of kid who just done have a top gear, he has issues with his skating and it’s possible that you might be able to work with those issues. But I wouldn’t bank on it, I would be doubtful of gambling on him before the 2nd...
One is Bobby Brink. He has the necessary skill level to put up pts at any level. His overall engine is however not at all where it needs to be. I never saw any of that when I’ve looked at high lights of him, but in the U18s it was very obvious how the game was really fast for him. But, a ‘positive’ is that he isn’t that type of kid who just done have a top gear, he has issues with his skating and it’s possible that you might be able to work with those issues. But I wouldn’t bank on it, I would be doubtful of gambling on him before the 2nd...
definitely agree on zegras, not a big fan. i've had very limited viewings, but my impressions of him were always that he looked like a practice/juniors/mens league superstar. too much on the perimeter maybe? don't have something to point out to really knock, just got had the impression he's a guy who's game doesn't translate.
similarly low exposure to brink but total opposite takeaway...i love how strong on / decisive he is with the puck. i don't see any skating issues, he's got a different stride but the agility is there, and he plays and thinks the game at the right pace with a great offensive skillset. as he gets stronger he'll add power and explosiveness to get around just fine...i'd be perfectly happy if we took him, reminds me of jaden schwartz
the one guy i really want though, and i don't see much chance it plays out with us getting him, is boldy from the us team. awesome skater especially on his edges, big, and the skills / creativity seem to come out more every time i've seen him. guessing he's in that 4-10 window so barring a trade back in that range its off the table...but outside the big 2 he's the guy i'm highest on.
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I agree on Brink when he has the puck, but on the big ice against the best of his peers he was really a non-factor without it. He must totally be able to turn that around, these guys must also be able to be an effective factor on the back check, be able to stress the other team with quick feets. He had non of that.
BTW, you did mean Suzuki and not Zegras, right?
I agree on Brink when he has the puck, but on the big ice against the best of his peers he was really a non-factor without it. He must totally be able to turn that around, these guys must also be able to be an effective factor on the back check, be able to stress the other team with quick feets. He had non of that.
BTW, you did mean Suzuki and not Zegras, right?
my apologies, i misread, got turned around, and thought you were actually talking about zegras rather than suzuki. ironically i do have a similar impression of both, not sure either have the motor/physicality (in the competetive sense of using leverage to win puck battles/intelligently doing it to position themselves w/ options out of them). i know zegras does play a physical game, and as mentioned i havent seen a ton, so there may be more there than i've picked up. rankings certainly disagree w/ me but he is a guy i got an impression the offensive game doesnt translate (guys like morin, bracco come to mind). having said that, i also think if i'm wrong i'll be way wrong on him. speaking to suzuki specifically, i'd want no part of...as you mentioned, at the higher levels the game is too fast for him.
on brink my general impression is that guys that show short area explosion / can play with balance like that on/off the puck, receive passes comfortably w/ full balance in any situation etc have tend to pan out. the footspeed to me can be tought/worked into. the confidence/composure picking up a puck in traffic and knowing whats around you, receiving a pass cleanly with pressure, getting quality shots off with little time to control it...skills like that you don't teach post draft. not that brinks the hill i'm looking to die on here, i like the kid and would be happy w/ him, but its also likely there are comparable and even preferable options @ 20. since i don't post all that often do want to mention have a tremendous respect/appreciation for your evaluations, just happen see this one a bit differently. am curious though what, if any, your thoughts on boldy are
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Not gonna lie, not keen on Lavoie at 20, and even less inclined to trade up for him.
There’s just...a lot of elements there that have me uneasy.
There’s just...a lot of elements there that have me uneasy.
would the perfect 1st round be kakko at #2 trade kreider to edmonton for podkolzin at #8 and york at #20? that's the best scenario i can think of
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Trading Kreider to pick Podkolzin would piss me off a good amount tbh
Someone like Newhook or Zegras, sure.
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I was thinking about it and I could see like LA taking Newhook with their pick.
He’s definitely a guy that can get up to that 4-7 range. Like Hayton, except Newhook has more upside.
He’s definitely a guy that can get up to that 4-7 range. Like Hayton, except Newhook has more upside.
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The difference is Podkolzin is falling from 3, not like 8-12. Plus there’s production concerns about Podkolzin
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