I think Gorton moves up. Not for Seider, but for those three. Sieder will be there at 20. IMO, of course.
Speculation: Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part IX (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)
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Joey Bones
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I believe it.
Guys with his overall package always end up going higher than initially anticipated.
It'll drop someone to our 2nd pick though, which is nice.
GeorgeKaplan
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Could also drop someone into trade up territory
Maybe, but I think the guys we want to trade for are going to go before him except maybe Newhook.
We have enough to trade into the top 10 if we find a willing partner though (looking at you, Buffalo, Edmonton and Anaheim.)
My vet dream with the Winnipeg pick, plus a small trade-up if possible, is Newhook at 1st place and then Seider at 2nd place. Newhook wouldn’t be impossible if you look at rankings, but I can’t imagine that he goes as late as 15 even. Seider? I also think it’s unlikely, but maybe not impossible. There are some guys a few teams can be really high on.
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i want no part of seider at 20 if there are still a few highly regarded forwards on the board.
still scratching my head why all the shade thrown at lovoie. kid just had a monster playoffs. hes big, skates beautifully and has sublime hands. rocket shot too. the narrative on this kid is a joke.
anyway, pass on seider for me. forwards with the top 2 picks please.
a falling kaliyev would be fine with me. im not that concerned about his label.
ive been on the newhook bandwagon early and lovoie could work as well.
still scratching my head why all the shade thrown at lovoie. kid just had a monster playoffs. hes big, skates beautifully and has sublime hands. rocket shot too. the narrative on this kid is a joke.
anyway, pass on seider for me. forwards with the top 2 picks please.
a falling kaliyev would be fine with me. im not that concerned about his label.
ive been on the newhook bandwagon early and lovoie could work as well.
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Lavoie had a monster playoffs after a VERY meh regular season, as one of the biggest and oldest draft eligible players this season. With his talent, he should've dominated. He didn't
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Lavoie's been impressive to watch. The stats were underwhelming, but it's hard to deny the tools.
IMO he's what Brett Connolly is today. Which is a very good support player that can get you 20.
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Zuccarello going to Dallas would make it four is what i was getting at. I agree in stockpiling picks but not at the expense of traded a top-6 winger IF the intent is to make the playoff the next season.
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I certainly hope the team doesn't put making the playoffs next year above the real goal of building a contender who can ultimately win it all. If they happen to make the playoffs next year so be it...but it shouldn't be at any price. We're headed in the right direction. Remain patient and build for the long term. We aren't that far away from having something special.
The pro tools are there. Some think that he doesn't slide past MTL.
But big body, rhs. Can skate and shoot. Lots to like. I don't have a problem with him getting 30 goals in the Q. But he's been very hit or miss.
Still though, I know a couple of guys that think very highly of his ability. Was simply dominant in the playoffs.
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I don't think one franchise pick (along with the rest of the pretty okay prospect pool) is enough either. Not really the biggest fan of tanking but since it's become widely used commodity in the NHL, it's also what the Rangers really should consider at least for the coming year. One or two seasons is much nothing at all compared to decade(s) of mediocrity.
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I'd be shocked to see them land two 1's straight up.
I'd be very satisfied is they dealt something along the lines of Kreider and #20 for an early/mid teens pick and that teams 1 in 2020. I'd even be willing to retain on Kreider. If you dealt with a bubble team like AZ then you never know what can happen with that 2020 pick.
I wouldn't outright tank but I'd try to trade Kreider for a good 2019 or 2020 pick and then let the young players try their best to win. They're probably not going to be good enough to win us a ton of games but if they are, then that's a good problem to have. I'd be a lot more confident in this rebuild succeeding if we can get at least 1 more top 10 pick that hopefully turns into a star.
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I can also se Minny reaching on him as well, a lot of their fanbase are desperate for a right hand shot, not sure if it translates to management, just going off this board.
eco's bones
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If the intention is to just tank the best way to do that is not just getting rid of Chris Kreider but moving on from Mika Zibanejad too. You really want the team to collapse you do things like that. At the same time I don't think a hard charging motivator like David Quinn should be your coach. Might as well have kept AV around.
The Rangers have no intention of tanking and they certainly didn't try to tank last year. They played hard right up through the last game. They will do that again next year. Whether that means making the playoffs I don't know but I expect they will be better. One should expect that guys like Chytil, Howden, Andersson, DeAngelo, Lemeiux, Buchnevich, Pionk and Georgiev will all improve and Kakko (Hughes) to be a big addition too along with Kravtsov, Fox and Shesterkin and maybe even Rykov. It's going to be a very young team but also pretty talented.
The Rangers have no intention of tanking and they certainly didn't try to tank last year. They played hard right up through the last game. They will do that again next year. Whether that means making the playoffs I don't know but I expect they will be better. One should expect that guys like Chytil, Howden, Andersson, DeAngelo, Lemeiux, Buchnevich, Pionk and Georgiev will all improve and Kakko (Hughes) to be a big addition too along with Kravtsov, Fox and Shesterkin and maybe even Rykov. It's going to be a very young team but also pretty talented.
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I wouldn’t say they’re tanking like Buffalo did for McDavid, but I think they were tanking like Toronto did for Marner/Matthews
If we look at last season, we had a lot fewer vets than Toronto had when they got Matthews. Toronto actually had a lot of vets. But that is a bit of the dilemma, because kids with attitude will always keep skating but its the vets that really throw in the towel when a season is done, which it can be pretty early.
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They are not tanking, they have several vets, they are just not very good. The most expensive of them have two years left with some sort of no trade clause if not a full no movement clauses.
They have been selling off those who are pending UFAs, some with a year left on their term even. That is not tanking, that is using the natural supply and demand cycle within the CBA.
The CBA rules the day, there are mechanisms within it which give the teams who finish lower in the standings a better chance to draft earlier. Thus a better chance at improving their team over the long term.
None of us made up the system, the Rangers are just playing it just as they did when they were on the other side of it, they were allowed to sell their picks, allowed to hand out whatever contracts they wanted which fit into the cap. They were allowed to put themselves into the position they are in, now they are just using the opposite side mechanics to dig themselves out of it and hopefully do more than only that while they have the opputunity.
They have been selling off those who are pending UFAs, some with a year left on their term even. That is not tanking, that is using the natural supply and demand cycle within the CBA.
The CBA rules the day, there are mechanisms within it which give the teams who finish lower in the standings a better chance to draft earlier. Thus a better chance at improving their team over the long term.
None of us made up the system, the Rangers are just playing it just as they did when they were on the other side of it, they were allowed to sell their picks, allowed to hand out whatever contracts they wanted which fit into the cap. They were allowed to put themselves into the position they are in, now they are just using the opposite side mechanics to dig themselves out of it and hopefully do more than only that while they have the opputunity.
That is a possibility. He's got that feeling of being the "riser" this year. There could well be a run on defense as you get to around the 10th pick with names like Broberg or maybe York coming off the boards. Which would bear well for the Rangers to get that forward that is falling for some reason.
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