Speculation: Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part IX (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

[RangerBoy]

Kyle Woodlief was on the NHL Network. He thinks Bobby Brink will be a top 10 pick. Teams aren’t talking about him much because they want to select Brink in the top ten and there are teams in the teens interested in him. TJ Oshie is the comparison to Brink.

He has Hughes at #1. Kakko at #2. Podkolzin is the clear cut #3. If a team has to wait 2 years for Podkolzin to come over, the payoff will be worth it in the end. The Caps and Blues had to wait for Kuznetsov and Tarasenko but it’s been worth it.

 

[bl02]

Kyle Woodlief was on the NHL Network. He thinks Bobby Brink will be a top 10 pick. Teams aren’t talking about him much because they want to select Brink in the top ten and there are teams in the teens interested in him. TJ Oshie is the comparison to Brink.

He has Hughes at #1. Kakko at #2. Podkolzin is the clear cut #3. If a team has to wait 2 years for Podkolzin to come over, the payoff will be worth it in the end. The Caps and Blues had to wait for Kuznetsov and Tarasenko but it’s been worth it.

Was watching him on the NHL network before last years draft in June and he wasn't far off with what he had to say.
Brink in top 10 would definitely shake things up a bit for sure.

 

[Leetch3]

Kyle woodlief said Hugh jessiman was the 4th best player in 03 and would be joe Thornton so I both appreciate his work and consider him dead to me at the same time lol

 

[Rangerfan4life90]

Kyle Woodlief was on the NHL Network. He thinks Bobby Brink will be a top 10 pick. Teams aren’t talking about him much because they want to select Brink in the top ten and there are teams in the teens interested in him. TJ Oshie is the comparison to Brink.

He has Hughes at #1. Kakko at #2. Podkolzin is the clear cut #3. If a team has to wait 2 years for Podkolzin to come over, the payoff will be worth it in the end. The Caps and Blues had to wait for Kuznetsov and Tarasenko but it’s been worth it.

I don't know about Podkolzin at #3

 

[Ken Lund]

If "That's all your gonna get"...Run away!

Giving away 1 first line LW, with size and speed, AFFORDABLY Signed for full season, plus your 1st round pick to move up a few spots. sO #20's value is that of a 2nd rounder like mentioned.

Terrible asset management!

That why I think he'll be here till the deadline.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

HELP NEEDED

I'm sorry for posting this here but as a father's Day gift, my son and I are going to go to the draft in Vancouver. However, in trying to make plans I can't find any start times for the draft. Does anyone know what the schedules are for the draft days?

Thanks in advance....and always draft BPA!

5 pm on Friday, 10 am on Saturday

 

[eco's bones]

Do people really think that Kreider is going to fetch a 1st in this year's draft + another 1st in 2020? I don't. You'll get a 1st for sure but depending on how high you might not get anything else. He's a better player than Hayes but not that much better.

 

[Ola]

I don't know about Podkolzin at #3

There are legit concerns and when a kid starts to fall you never know. BUT, I think there are much more to like about him than what he gets credit for now, and the risk-side of things is ultimately pretty limited from my POV. He gets put in some categories that I don’t think describes him that well. Some see him as Zherdev II, others as a Evander Kane type.

But I think that he has qualities that still — despite the concerns — should turn him into an attractive hockey player for a NHL team. He is very strong, has really fast hands which enables him to skate in traffic, he works hard, has a good shot that has potential to become elite. And he can be somewhat heady when he distributes the puck.

I think that he is more immature than you want to see a top prospect be at this point, in that he gets too down on himself. Sure, if you bring him in to be a savior and carry a franchise it’s hard to tell just how wrong things can go. But that must still be compared to the prospects of others kids after Hughes and Kakko becoming that good, which also aren’t high.

I think it’s understandable that many are really high on him. I can also understand people turning on him fast after some viewings at the U18s, his stats in Russia etc. But I think there are mitigating factors in a positive relation in the perspective of those concerns.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Do people really think that Kreider is going to fetch a 1st in this year's draft + another 1st in 2020? I don't. You'll get a 1st for sure but depending on how high you might not get anything else. He's a better player than Hayes but not that much better.

I could see a mid teens #1, a B level prospect/young NHL player and a conditional #2 if said team resigns or wins the cup. #3 if not.

 

[eco's bones]

I could see a mid teens #1, a B level prospect/young NHL player and a conditional #2 if said team resigns or wins the cup. #3 if not.

It's hard to say but two 1st's seem a bit much especially if you're dealing with a team that's kind of a bubble playoff team like most teams in the teens are. The thing also is we might not get as good a deal for Kreider as we did for Hayes even if Chris is the better deal. Sometimes offers just aren't as high and maybe you hang on to the player and wait for the deadline but even that it seems to that centers and D are more golden at the deadline than wings and goalies.

 

[UAGoalieGuy]

Kyle Woodlief was on the NHL Network. He thinks Bobby Brink will be a top 10 pick. Teams aren’t talking about him much because they want to select Brink in the top ten and there are teams in the teens interested in him. TJ Oshie is the comparison to Brink.

He has Hughes at #1. Kakko at #2. Podkolzin is the clear cut #3. If a team has to wait 2 years for Podkolzin to come over, the payoff will be worth it in the end. The Caps and Blues had to wait for Kuznetsov and Tarasenko but it’s been worth it.

That would certainly make things interesting. Hughes, Kakko, Podz, Brink and their has been a lot of chatter that Caufield will be in the top 10 as well. I dont see Byram falling out of the top 10.

That means 3 of Zegras, Cozens, Turcotte, Boldy, Dach, Newhook or Krebs will be available in the low teens.

 

[Lion Hound]

Kyle Woodlief was on the NHL Network. He thinks Bobby Brink will be a top 10 pick. Teams aren’t talking about him much because they want to select Brink in the top ten and there are teams in the teens interested in him. TJ Oshie is the comparison to Brink.

He has Hughes at #1. Kakko at #2. Podkolzin is the clear cut #3. If a team has to wait 2 years for Podkolzin to come over, the payoff will be worth it in the end. The Caps and Blues had to wait for Kuznetsov and Tarasenko but it’s been worth it.

I spoke to Kyle earlier this week. Ordered my draft guide. He was bang-on with Kravtsov last year. He was the first to have him in or near the top ten in his mid term ranks. He of course has him up there in his final as well.

 

[Vitto79]

So I see a lot of talk in York but isn’t the LD potentially good w Miller , Hajek , Rykov , Lindgren fighting it out?

 

[Ola]

Do people really think that Kreider is going to fetch a 1st in this year's draft + another 1st in 2020? I don't. You'll get a 1st for sure but depending on how high you might not get anything else. He's a better player than Hayes but not that much better.

It’s hard to value conditions, and so far none of them have played out. But doesn’t it seem like somethings like this would be fair:

1st in 2019
3rd in 2020*

*That becomes a 2nd in 2020** if he resigns with the team that gets him,

**That becomes a 1st if the teams that gets him make the POs in 2020.

 

[Joey Bones]

Kyle Woodlief was on the NHL Network. He thinks Bobby Brink will be a top 10 pick. Teams aren’t talking about him much because they want to select Brink in the top ten and there are teams in the teens interested in him. TJ Oshie is the comparison to Brink.

He has Hughes at #1. Kakko at #2. Podkolzin is the clear cut #3. If a team has to wait 2 years for Podkolzin to come over, the payoff will be worth it in the end. The Caps and Blues had to wait for Kuznetsov and Tarasenko but it’s been worth it.

Agreed on Brink. Think he’ll surprise most where he ends up getting moved.

I don’t think Podkolzin is the “clear cut” No. 3, though. I still think he’s a top 5 talent, but Byram has excelled & was the main component for Vancouver all season. I see what he Woodlief is saying, though. Whoever picks Podkolzin will have to wait 2 or 3 years....

 

[Joey Bones]

No need to trade Kreider unless you get a Hayes like return &, IMO, Kreider is a superior player to Hayes. He should return more....

 

[eco's bones]

It’s hard to value conditions, and so far none of them have played out. But doesn’t it seem like somethings like this would be fair:

1st in 2019
3rd in 2020*

*That becomes a 2nd in 2020** if he resigns with the team that gets him,

**That becomes a 1st if the teams that gets him make the POs in 2020.

Conditions on trades like that are always a possibility. You have to find a trading partner willing to do that. Not saying that team is not out there but I'm not sure. The other thing using your scenario ties up all of the third, second and first picks until things sort out for the team acquiring Kreider.

 

[I Eat Crow]

So I see a lot of talk in York but isn’t the LD potentially good w Miller , Hajek , Rykov , Lindgren fighting it out?

As a friend of mine in the industry puts it:

"When you're building a team, you can never have too many good defensive prospects or good center prospects"

Those are the most important positions on the ice. Draft for BPA, always. If the Rangers are walking to the podium at pick #20 and York is still there along with, I don't know, Tomasino and Brink, I think York should be the pick if he's #10 on the Rangers board and Tomasino and Brink are #18 and #19 or something.

You can always trade surplus for a position of need down the road. You don't know what you're going to need two or three years from now. Maybe both Chytil and Andersson flame out and looks like they are only going to be bottom six forwards.

Good defensive and center prospects are worth their weight in gold.

 

[Leetch3]

As a friend of mine in the industry puts it:

"When you're building a team, you can never have too many good defensive prospects or good center prospects"

Those are the most important positions on the ice. Draft for BPA, always. If the Rangers are walking to the podium at pick #20 and York is still there along with, I don't know, Tomasino and Brink, I think York should be the pick if he's #10 on the Rangers board and Tomasino and Brink are #18 and #19 or something.

You can always trade surplus for a position of need down the road. You don't know what you're going to need two or three years from now. Maybe both Chytil and Andersson flame out and looks like they are only going to be bottom six forwards.

Good defensive and center prospects are worth their weight in gold.

yep you can never have too many good prospects. they won't all work out so the more you have the better and if you are lucky enough that too many work to fit everyone than that gives you strength to trade from to fill other needs...and if miller doesn't pan out as a #1 who is gonna be the top pair guy? you can have 4 really good players and still not have a true top pair guy, so if you can get a potential top pair guy why not

that said though on york specifically, as an offensive dman I think he adds a dimension/style that the rest of the group doesn't. plus I think most people have him ranked 10-13 overall so if he's still on the board at #20 then he's likely considered a lot better than the forwards on the board. if we were talking about pick 15 with more top forwards still on the board I think more people would have gone forward

 

[GeorgeKaplan]

5 pm on Friday, 10 am on Saturday

That in Vancouver’s time?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That in Vancouver’s time?

Local time, yes

 

[AlternateSideParking]

I dont see the Rangers trading Kreider for picks at the draft . They’re getting Kakko and since 2017 have four straight years of multiple high-round picks. They can play it by ear until the deadline.

All the rhetoric and rumors point towards an aggressive offseason. They can’t move the scrubs on defense so bulk up at forward with UFA money or trade kids. The prospect pool will be overcrowded after this draft, and they have all their 2020 picks, maybe two firsts if Zucc signs. Give Georgiev the starting job and phase Henrik out until Shestyorkin is ready.

Dolan wants the Knicks and Rangers relevant again and in a hurry. He’s been cheap and cutting back everywhere in MSG, probably for a big free agent push for both teams. My theory is he wants to sell before the next lockout but not when both teams suck and start to struggle at the gate.

 

[Anzi]

I dont see the Rangers trading Kreider for picks at the draft . They’re getting Kakko and since 2017 have four straight years of multiple high-round picks. They can play it by ear until the deadline.

All the rhetoric and rumors point towards an aggressive offseason. They can’t move the scrubs on defense so bulk up at forward with UFA money or trade kids. The prospect pool will be overcrowded after this draft, and they have all their 2020 picks, maybe two firsts if Zucc signs. Give Georgiev the starting job and phase Henrik out until Shestyorkin is ready.

Dolan wants the Knicks and Rangers relevant again and in a hurry. He’s been cheap and cutting back everywhere in MSG, probably for a big free agent push for both teams. My theory is he wants to sell before the next lockout but not when both teams suck and start to struggle at the gate.

I honestly don't think Dolan is very involved in either team at the moment. Knicks are trying to make a splash in free agency but they have said that they will be patient if it doesn't work out. And JD has been preaching patience since he's come on the Rangers.

 

[Thirty One]

I dont see the Rangers trading Kreider for picks at the draft . They’re getting Kakko and since 2017 have four straight years of multiple high-round picks. They can play it by ear until the deadline.

I think that's three years? I've never really gotten the idea of the value of high draft picks diminishing as you get more of them, though. Each one is a small chance at getting a transformative talent. Get as many plinko chips as you can.

 

[Ola]

I dont see the Rangers trading Kreider for picks at the draft . They’re getting Kakko and since 2017 have four straight years of multiple high-round picks. They can play it by ear until the deadline.

All the rhetoric and rumors point towards an aggressive offseason. They can’t move the scrubs on defense so bulk up at forward with UFA money or trade kids. The prospect pool will be overcrowded after this draft, and they have all their 2020 picks, maybe two firsts if Zucc signs. Give Georgiev the starting job and phase Henrik out until Shestyorkin is ready.

Dolan wants the Knicks and Rangers relevant again and in a hurry. He’s been cheap and cutting back everywhere in MSG, probably for a big free agent push for both teams. My theory is he wants to sell before the next lockout but not when both teams suck and start to struggle at the gate.

Still, I just don’t think it would work to be aggressive in many ways. Young is better. UFAs per definition means that you are overpaying for someone.

Gorton also has a problems with a roster that more or less is over-full, and many guys that aren’t contributing. Names, Vesey, Strome and many others. Were are they going?