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Speculation: Draft and UDFA Thread 2018-19: Part IX (No Kakko/Hughes Talk)

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UnSandvich said:
Lavoie had a monster playoffs after a VERY meh regular season, as one of the biggest and oldest draft eligible players this season. With his talent, he should've dominated. He didn't
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The Lavoie thing has been hashed and rehased. Your viewpoints summarize them. Having the monster playoffs against kids that are not as physically developed as you is just not that impressive.
 
True Blue said:
Gut feeling says you are right. Please we already know there are some names that Gorton loves and wants to be aggressive about.
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Yep and I am definitely good with that strategy. We have both quality and quantity with young players and prospects but at this stage the strategy should be to focus on the former, and this is definitely a draft to add quality.

I just worry there wont be a deal. There are just so many variables.
 
McRanger said:
I just worry there wont be a deal. There are just so many variables.
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It's not so much that there will not be a deal to be made, I think there will be. It's what the price tag? I do believe that Gorton will look to be aggressive, but I also believe that he is not going to pay outside of the range that he fixed in his head. One would think that teams looking to add assets would be realistic in their ask, but as you said there are too many variables.
 
True Blue said:
It's not so much that there will not be a deal to be made, I think there will be. It's what the price tag? I do believe that Gorton will look to be aggressive, but I also believe that he is not going to pay outside of the range that he fixed in his head. One would think that teams looking to add assets would be realistic in their ask, but as you said there are too many variables.
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Price is definitely an issue. Even if the price is worth it, it might hurt.

But my main concern is that the potential for <insert top 10 talent> to drop causes teams to take a cautious approach and before we know it we are in the middle of the round and weighing the benefit of moving up to grab our guy from the next lower tier.

If nothing else it will make the rest of the draft exciting.
 
Joey Bones said:
Both.

With that said, Cole Caufield has 27 interviews set up for the week.

Ethan Phillips, who NHL.com named as their most underrated prospect in the class, has 17 interviews coming up. Could be the first big riser in the draft. I have him in the late 3rd, ATM. Draftsite has NYR taking him in the 5th round.
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Caufield interviewing with 27 teams, currently only 26 have first round picks. Interesting.

Phillips is a small forward headed to BU, I think you're right, 3rd rounder who has a chance to slip into the 2nd. I like his USHL teammate and Righty Dman Max Crozier, headed to Providence.
 
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Bluenote13 said:
Caufield interviewing with 27 teams, currently only 26 have first round picks. Interesting.

Phillips is a small forward headed to BU, I think you're right, 3rd rounder who has a chance to slip into the 2nd. I like his USHL teammate and Righty Dman Max Crozier, headed to Providence.
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If Caufield drops, he is an intriguing. But I have to say, in watching the teams that are in the Finals this year, it seems that size is coming back into the equation. Boston and St. Louis is playing a big boy's game. I am not saying that skill and skating is not important, but to me it is telling that two of the bigger teams are in the finals this year.
 
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True Blue said:
If Caufield drops, he is an intriguing. But I have to say, in watching the teams that are in the Finals this year, it seems that size is coming back into the equation. Boston and St. Louis is playing a big boy's game. I am not saying that skill and skating is not important, but to me it is telling that two of the bigger teams are in the finals this year.
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Boston got a lot of flack for that Coyle trade, but ends up one of the better deadline deals around. Size and skating is still a winning combo in Pro hockey.
 
I don't want to see this team pick at #20 or it should be their 3rd pick in the round. We could desperately use another top 15ish pick.

Unfortunately, a lot of what we may want to do will revolve around the Kessel discussions and his inevitable trade. The teams that just missed the playoffs will be looking to make some moves, especially Arizona. That team needs to get back in soon, even if it is a one and done for now. Edmonton will be trying to get back in too. Outside of Vegas and Calgary, the teams that missed in the Pacific are seeing the California teams beginning to or have already faded.

Vancouver (10), Edmonton (8), and Arizona (14) are young and talented. Are they willing to start making trades to get into the playoffs? Edmonton has been doing this, and I'm not sure if Holland will do anything other than try and get them in next season. Arizona and Vancouver are close. They have the good young pieces, but are missing the depth needed. Vancouver is hosting the draft and I know you never want that to influence your team, but unless they are making a gamebreaking move with that pick, they will select in front of their fans.

So 8 and 14, which have a HUGE difference in value. I can totally see Edmonton in on Kreider and #8 being available, with an extension for Kreider nearly in place. 14 would require some additional pieces added to it unless Arizona just wants to do a 14OA for 20OA + later pick. I don't think they are in the asset accumulation part of their build, so I don't see that as a possibility.
 
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How desperate are the Wild right now? They can't land Kessel. Reports are that they won't have a shot at any valuable UFAs. Kreider could well be their man. I'm not giving him up with the 20, but I would do Kreider and 58 for 15. Then flip the 20 with 15 to move up further.
 
True Blue said:
The Lavoie thing has been hashed and rehased. Your viewpoints summarize them. Having the monster playoffs against kids that are not as physically developed as you is just not that impressive.
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such shallow thinking and really not much effort here

the kid plays major junior. he went 19/29 in 19 in the playoffs. those are high end numbers against some very good talent.

he lead the canadian u18's last year in goals. you forgot that ? that was also against kids no ?

you may not like him and thats fine but lets stop with the stuff that hes not been impressive. because, simply put, he has been.
 
True Blue said:
If Caufield drops, he is an intriguing. But I have to say, in watching the teams that are in the Finals this year, it seems that size is coming back into the equation. Boston and St. Louis is playing a big boy's game. I am not saying that skill and skating is not important, but to me it is telling that two of the bigger teams are in the finals this year.
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st louis defense is huge. and they can skate. its like the whole defense is 6'4

size is a non factor for me.

big doesnt mean better and small doesnt mean not good enough.

i take the best hockey players and look at size after i consider skating and hockey iq
 
Now that we have the #2 overall pick, I'm way more interested in getting picks in next year's draft.

Picking at #20 is also pretty low on my list. I either want to package that pick to get up for a guy we think can be a future #1 center (even if not elite like McDavid/Crosby), such as Zegras, Dach, Cozens, or Turcotte, or, I'd even consider moving it out to a lottery team for their first next year (plus sweetener) in the hopes that I cash in next year. If I trade Kreider, I'm also considering that strategy. I'll ask for, say, 14 and next year's first, but if I can't get both, I'm preferring next year's pick. Because that pick, plus Dallas's (hopefully), and plus our own, I want another Kakko-like top talent. I want to get into the top 3-4 of next year's draft, and I want the ammo to do it if I don't win the lottery organically.
 
offdacrossbar said:
st louis defense is huge. and they can skate. its like the whole defense is 6'4

size is a non factor for me.

big doesnt mean better and small doesnt mean not good enough.

i take the best hockey players and look at size after i consider skating and hockey iq
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Oddly enough, even with all the size they have back there, last night they missed Vince Dunn so much. He helps so much in moving the puck. They really need him for their defense to work. It's part of the reason Edmondson looked so bad last night. That left side become devoid of puck movement. Boumeester isn't the same player he was 5 years ago and Gunnarsson and Edmondson are more defensive types. Left all the puck moving in the hands of Pietro and Parayko. Bortuzzo isn't going to get them up the ice either.

The size is nice for sure, but if you lack puck movers, your team will die a slow death out there. Big reason they had so few shots.
 
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Berserk said:
Where'd you see/hear this info?
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There’s been some rumors of Detroit liking Podkolzin but I really don’t remember where, also a gut feeling. The Mantha for RNH rumored trade thread is up on the Wings board. Haven’t followed along with it though so I don’t know if it’s been debunked yet
 
Lays said:
There’s been some rumors of Detroit liking Podkolzin but I really don’t remember where, also a gut feeling. The Mantha for RNH rumored trade thread is up on the Wings board. Haven’t followed along with it though so I don’t know if it’s been debunked yet
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Ok gotcha. I also heard rumors that they liked Caufield though. We'll see, I'm not terribly interested in either of those players anyway so better for Detroit to get one. Preferably Podkolzin.
 
JimmyG89 said:
Oddly enough, even with all the size they have back there, last night they missed Vince Dunn so much. He helps so much in moving the puck. They really need him for their defense to work. It's part of the reason Edmondson looked so bad last night. That left side become devoid of puck movement. Boumeester isn't the same player he was 5 years ago and Gunnarsson and Edmondson are more defensive types. Left all the puck moving in the hands of Pietro and Parayko. Bortuzzo isn't going to get them up the ice either.

The size is nice for sure, but if you lack puck movers, your team will die a slow death out there. Big reason they had so few shots.
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agreed with all that
 
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