McJadeddog
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I don't, I'm just saying that the percentage chance for D is greater than forwards, given where the two players are right now and their ages. My GUESS, and its just a guess, is that neither of them really become anything.
Confirmed with Link: Dmitri Samorukov traded to St. Louis for RW Klim Kostin
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I don't, I'm just saying that the percentage chance for D is greater than forwards, given where the two players are right now and their ages. My GUESS, and its just a guess, is that neither of them really become anything.
Bryanbryoil
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I joked on the Blues board that he sounded like Kassian but paid league minimum instead of $3 million +. I personally think that his skillset will compliment Benson's very well. Benson is the shifty playmaker that also stirs the pot while Kostin has a good shot and can fight. Mayfield is a tough hombre and Kostin held his own. Look at the battle in front of the goal leading up to the fight. Hopefully he can bring some of that here as well.
Bryanbryoil
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That's the safe bet. Both guys cleared waivers so they are seen as likely below the top 12 forwards and top 6D on most teams. That said, Samorukov was a piece that we no longer needed and Kostin was a piece that they no longer needed. If it works out for 1 or both teams, great. If not, life goes on.
Ritchie Valens
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Samorukov was a Chiarelli pick too. I'm sure there's a PC joke in this trade somewhere.
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I think the injuries really set him back. I wish him the best, but I can see why we'd move on.
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I’m sure Brad Holland had a say in this, and I generally like his decision making process.
6’4 forward with toughness and bit of a skill. We need that in the bottom 6 depth.
This move tweener for tweener actually makes a lot of sense for both organizations. I liked Kostin in his draft year, power forwards take time to develop.
We still have Broberg, Niemelainen, Desharnais, Kesselring, Kemp, etc. in the pipeline.
Yeah... I think that Kesselring & Kemp all showed well in camp, there's a chance that at one of them turn out as a depth D for us in the next few years.
Best of luck to Samorukov in St. Louis, he has unfortunately gotten very unlucky with injuries, as BBO mentioned above.
McDanglez
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I can see why we moved on as well. Log jam for sure.
He didn't really blow the doors off at any level, but he always seemed to adjust.
I got a feeling he's going to develop into a dman we would have wanted on this team on the 3 rd pair.
He didn't really blow the doors off at any level, but he always seemed to adjust.
I got a feeling he's going to develop into a dman we would have wanted on this team on the 3 rd pair.
Oilhawks
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Given what DNB points out about him being clear to move up and down without waivers, I think we see him game 1
I imagine that this trade was discussed before both players were waived. Each GM would have wanted flexibility for the players early in the season
BudBundy
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At face value, it’s a stupid trade. Samorukov was probably no worse than #9 on our overall depth chart on the back end, and every season that guy gets a call up due to injuries, and quite often is needed to play. As others have mentioned, if a forward like Klostin isn’t posting some numbers or having an impact by his age, he almost certainly never will. The opposite is true of young D. He could still be an excellent two-way D with a lot of tools.
Obviously what we don’t know is what happens in the room and with the agent. Maybe they demanded a trade. In the past, Russians could use the KHL as leverage. But what young Russian male would possibly be so stupid as to return to Russia right now?!?! If I was Holland, I would have stuck to my guns and kept him. If I was Samo, I’d have realized that Broberg shat the bed in camp, Niemelainen has coverage holes in his game, and that Murray is a band-aid. Play well in the AHL and good chance you get a chance sooner than later.
TLDR: bad trade.
Obviously what we don’t know is what happens in the room and with the agent. Maybe they demanded a trade. In the past, Russians could use the KHL as leverage. But what young Russian male would possibly be so stupid as to return to Russia right now?!?! If I was Holland, I would have stuck to my guns and kept him. If I was Samo, I’d have realized that Broberg shat the bed in camp, Niemelainen has coverage holes in his game, and that Murray is a band-aid. Play well in the AHL and good chance you get a chance sooner than later.
TLDR: bad trade.
GreeningOil
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I just liked Samarukov more than a lot of other prospects. To me trading for a big dumb AHL guy is shitty lol
Our 10th best D for our 14th best forward. Samorukovs nhl debut probably really soured the org on him.
Samorukov is also a bit dumb AHL guy lol
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GreeningOil
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What is your opinion? A random giant low scoring AHL forward doesn’t move the needle. Might as well keep a depth D
WaitingForUser
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When did Eichel have a better start to his career? McDavid scored his first goal in his 4th game and didn’t look back until Manning cheap shitted him and then he missed 36 games only to come back and score at 1.3 ppg till the end of the year.
McDNicks17
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I don't know why some people are talking about Samo like he's a bonafide bottom pairing guy and Kostin like he's the risky AHLer haha.
Kostin is the one that held a semi-regular spot on a good NHL team last year and had decent results.
Kostin is the one that held a semi-regular spot on a good NHL team last year and had decent results.
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GreeningOil
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Going off of gut feeling. I don’t know if he will suit up for the Oil
McDNicks17
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Nothing groundbreaking. Pretty average compared to the rest of the Blues.
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Eh... by all accounts he spent the whole last summer in Edmonton training. Could see it as doing him a favor as well for a fresh start, as he has just had bad luck with injuried and has since been buried on the depth chart.
Ironic that he ended up in St. Louis though after making his NHL debut against them haha.
And a giant mediocre AHL d doesn’t move the needle either. It’s a change of scenery trade for two prospects who aren’t succeeding
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As long as it isn't Kostinen i'm fine
